Well yea they are the party that doesn’t live in reality.
And when we do destroy the planet, all of the rich donors are going to have those lovely little bunkers to fall back on while the rest of us are fucked
Bunkers aren’t gonna do shit if climate change really kicks off. None of those assholes can grow their own food or anything else they would need to do to survive longer than your average prepper. They’ll make nice targets for desperate people to spend a lot of resources trying to open though.
I know it feels good to think this way but you are wrong.
Salt mines are being bought up and turned into self contained estates capable of self-sustained agriculture and power generation. Not for the general public, but by billionaires terrified of what’s to come.
And they’re not like you are imagining, cute little bunker homes like those repurposed missile silos.
Nope, they’re mini cities, capable of maintaining the families, servants, and guards of the ultra rich for hundreds of years without outside support.
They are already being built, and more we don’t know about.
When you have enough money, you can prepare for anything, and the only survivors of the coming economic collapse will be the people inside those bunkers.
they’re mini cities, capable of maintaining the families, servants, and guards of the ultra rich for hundreds of years without outside support.
The slaves are going to revolt nigh-immediately when the government collapses and those riches evaporate without the societal support structure required to mobilize them
Yeah that’s why they hired psychologists to give them tactics to control their guards and slaves.
The answers were:
Keeping family members hostage
The opportunity to intermarry into the owner class within the bunker
Drugs
(I shit you not) segregating the female guards and slaves and only allowing access to them through a rewards system
Better rations and living quarters.
Establishing a religion with the owner family as literal gods. I know this sounds stupid to us but imagine 3 generations of children raised like this in a tiny enclosed environment were all knowledge of the outside world is mediated through the owners.
A mix of these tactics may work in the medium term, and I’m sure there will be bunkers that revolt but I feel there will be some that don’t for one reason or another. It’s really no different from how kings had to work to keep their military leaders from taking power.
Part of what makes the games so fun is that we all have a sneaking suspicion that that’s exactly what a corp with Vault Tec’s resources and sway would do with their customers post-apocalypse.
I think that’s why they are burning the world so intensely, they’re trying to get their last profits in to secure their future in a world where currency is meaningless.
I think it’s more ambivalence. they’re fine with the status quo because obviously they’re on top. But even if shit really starts hitting the fan they are wealthy enough to be just fine. And before full blown apocalypse comes they’ll be long dead.
This is why Larry Ellison bought almost the entirety of Lānaʻi (and Zuckerberg bought some of the remainder). Not only does it have an eight-mile moat between it and the rest of Hawai‘i, it’s also got great climate and fertile volcanic soil. In fact, it was formerly the world’s largest pineapple plantation.
yes. but capitalism’s main skills are myopia and delusion, and being a billionaire in particular poisons your brain, ruins your perception of scale consequence and responsibility just as it bloats your self opinion.
all of the rich donors are going to have those lovely little bunkers to fall back on while the rest of us are fucked
I don’t think it’s about this specific use case. It’s about the fact that the minority of ultra wealthy will always have the means and resources to escape the plight of the common folk. Plus any consequences are unlikely to be realized in their own lifetimes, only their kids or grandkids might really be affected.
Even if they are affected they can buy their space station or remote luxury village with slave paid labor. There’s not enough resources for everyone to be taken care of, but you can bet your ass they and their families will be taken care of first.
the suffering is the point, and many of them are literally lovecraftian apocalypse cultists. as bad as jewish zionists may be (‘we will riot for the right to rape!’) christian zionists (doctrinal religiously zionist, not, like, faschy genocidal racist catholics railing against the woke pope, not that those adjectives look great on anybody) are just straight up horror villains.
Neither party lives in reality. Neither party actually believes in climate change. The Republicans outright deny it and the Democrats do nothing about it. It’s not enough to say you believe in climate change, you have to demonstrate that you believe in climate change by behaving as though it is real.
We’ve got two cars racing toward a cliff. One has the gas pedal weighed down with a cinder block and the driver insists there’s no cliff. The driver of the other car says “what an idiot!” as he very intelligently, moderately, and progressively presses his gas pedal halfway down
Neither driver will acknowledge their passengers’ pleas to hit the brakes
remember half the passengers in your metaphorical car are also screaming to hit the gas harder.
Your ire is misdirected at democrats when you should be talking about the propaganda machine from fossil fuel companies and Fox News brainwashing people into making it a culture war. Democrats do what they can, the problem is they can do very little when most people really don’t give a shit (or worse).
did you even read the rest of my comment? Also you can’t say the democrats are “in power” when passing legislation requires more votes than they actually control. How do you plan to accomplish the kinds of goals you’re looking for with less than 60 senate votes?
Motherfucker, you’re not understanding. The idea that “I don’t have enough votes in this made up fascist government to pass effective climate legislation” means that it’s acceptable to give up is climate change denial. This is not a matter where we have the liberty of sitting around and playing nice with fascists for decades on end. We need to make radical change now.
If the rules say that you can’t make radical change now then break the rules, if the fascists try to stop you then it’s a war. So be it. The alternative is the end of the world.
If the rules say that you can’t make radical change now then break the rules, if the fascists try to stop you then it’s a war. So be it. The alternative is the end of the world.
okay, so you’re not talking about functional government anymore, you’re talking about revolution. If your plan was to sit back and wait for democrats to do that… lol.
What’s this “radical change” and why haven’t you made it happen yet? Like what are you actually doing other than shouting into the void about other people doing the wrong thing? Even if someone reads your post and is like “yeah that’s right” what are they actually supposed to do next? What rules are we supposed to break?
Before we can do anything, we need an organized group of people who can agree on what needs to be done. Before we have that, we have to identify that what is being done isn’t enough. People who believe that the Democrats are doing enough on this topic aren’t going to organize with us for radical change.
What are we supposed to do? End the use of fossil fuels and transition to solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, nuclear power in whatever configuration the experts determine is necessary. End the use of cars outside of necessary exceptions and transition most transport to trains and bikes. End animal agriculture. Democrats are not doing these things, do not want to do these things, will not do these things. You have to recognize that Democrats are your enemy just as much as Republicans.
Before we can do anything, we need an organized group of people who can agree on what needs to be done. Before we have that, we have to identify that what is being done isn’t enough.
and to do that, you need to stop the climate change denial propaganda. exactly what I said from the beginning. the government is never going to have power to do anything if half the country is brainwashed.
They know exactly what they are doing. They are saying one thing publicly, but the nitty gritty is that they are enabling the ability to manipulate wealth using the power to choose the winners and the insider knowledge that enables enormous wealth generation. There is a reason why few politicians are poor even if they entered office penniless, and it isn’t book deals or speeches.
Politicians are not idiots (usually.) Even the ones who are batshit crazy in the news have another personality that isn’t the mass media one. We know next to nothing about public figures and celebrities actual real beliefs or day to day behaviors, we only know the idolized media coverage which is itself tailored to generate more revenue, not deliver facts or do the right thing for humanity.
Well yea they are the party that doesn’t live in reality.
And when we do destroy the planet, all of the rich donors are going to have those lovely little bunkers to fall back on while the rest of us are fucked
Bunkers aren’t gonna do shit if climate change really kicks off. None of those assholes can grow their own food or anything else they would need to do to survive longer than your average prepper. They’ll make nice targets for desperate people to spend a lot of resources trying to open though.
I know it feels good to think this way but you are wrong.
Salt mines are being bought up and turned into self contained estates capable of self-sustained agriculture and power generation. Not for the general public, but by billionaires terrified of what’s to come.
And they’re not like you are imagining, cute little bunker homes like those repurposed missile silos.
Nope, they’re mini cities, capable of maintaining the families, servants, and guards of the ultra rich for hundreds of years without outside support.
They are already being built, and more we don’t know about.
When you have enough money, you can prepare for anything, and the only survivors of the coming economic collapse will be the people inside those bunkers.
The slaves are going to revolt nigh-immediately when the government collapses and those riches evaporate without the societal support structure required to mobilize them
Yeah that’s why they hired psychologists to give them tactics to control their guards and slaves.
The answers were:
Keeping family members hostage
The opportunity to intermarry into the owner class within the bunker
Drugs
(I shit you not) segregating the female guards and slaves and only allowing access to them through a rewards system
Better rations and living quarters.
Establishing a religion with the owner family as literal gods. I know this sounds stupid to us but imagine 3 generations of children raised like this in a tiny enclosed environment were all knowledge of the outside world is mediated through the owners.
A mix of these tactics may work in the medium term, and I’m sure there will be bunkers that revolt but I feel there will be some that don’t for one reason or another. It’s really no different from how kings had to work to keep their military leaders from taking power.
I feel like I’ve come across this vault in Fallout before.
Part of what makes the games so fun is that we all have a sneaking suspicion that that’s exactly what a corp with Vault Tec’s resources and sway would do with their customers post-apocalypse.
exactly. the only question is how much money will it take to survive. AI is gonna make it easier for them to do it too.
I think that’s why they are burning the world so intensely, they’re trying to get their last profits in to secure their future in a world where currency is meaningless.
I think it’s more ambivalence. they’re fine with the status quo because obviously they’re on top. But even if shit really starts hitting the fan they are wealthy enough to be just fine. And before full blown apocalypse comes they’ll be long dead.
This is why Larry Ellison bought almost the entirety of Lānaʻi (and Zuckerberg bought some of the remainder). Not only does it have an eight-mile moat between it and the rest of Hawai‘i, it’s also got great climate and fertile volcanic soil. In fact, it was formerly the world’s largest pineapple plantation.
Raise your hand if, when the shit goes down, you’re going to care about who bought what land.
Now raise your hand if you’re going to be re-enacting scenes from the “Mad Max” movie franchise.
Islands are a stupid collapse estate choice, too hard to defend from all sides of water.
Smart billionaires lock themselves inside luxury refurbished salt mines.
yes. but capitalism’s main skills are myopia and delusion, and being a billionaire in particular poisons your brain, ruins your perception of scale consequence and responsibility just as it bloats your self opinion.
I don’t think it’s about this specific use case. It’s about the fact that the minority of ultra wealthy will always have the means and resources to escape the plight of the common folk. Plus any consequences are unlikely to be realized in their own lifetimes, only their kids or grandkids might really be affected.
Even if they are affected they can buy their space station or remote luxury village with
slavepaid labor. There’s not enough resources for everyone to be taken care of, but you can bet your ass they and their families will be taken care of first.its not just for their donors.
the suffering is the point, and many of them are literally lovecraftian apocalypse cultists. as bad as jewish zionists may be (‘we will riot for the right to rape!’) christian zionists (doctrinal religiously zionist, not, like, faschy genocidal racist catholics railing against the woke pope, not that those adjectives look great on anybody) are just straight up horror villains.
Neither party lives in reality. Neither party actually believes in climate change. The Republicans outright deny it and the Democrats do nothing about it. It’s not enough to say you believe in climate change, you have to demonstrate that you believe in climate change by behaving as though it is real.
We’ve got two cars racing toward a cliff. One has the gas pedal weighed down with a cinder block and the driver insists there’s no cliff. The driver of the other car says “what an idiot!” as he very intelligently, moderately, and progressively presses his gas pedal halfway down
Neither driver will acknowledge their passengers’ pleas to hit the brakes
remember half the passengers in your metaphorical car are also screaming to hit the gas harder.
Your ire is misdirected at democrats when you should be talking about the propaganda machine from fossil fuel companies and Fox News brainwashing people into making it a culture war. Democrats do what they can, the problem is they can do very little when most people really don’t give a shit (or worse).
Poor little helpless Democrats just can’t do anything good because the big bad mean Republicans are stopping them, even when they’re the ones in power
How can you be so pathetic lmao, the definition of controlled opposition.
did you even read the rest of my comment? Also you can’t say the democrats are “in power” when passing legislation requires more votes than they actually control. How do you plan to accomplish the kinds of goals you’re looking for with less than 60 senate votes?
Motherfucker, you’re not understanding. The idea that “I don’t have enough votes in this made up fascist government to pass effective climate legislation” means that it’s acceptable to give up is climate change denial. This is not a matter where we have the liberty of sitting around and playing nice with fascists for decades on end. We need to make radical change now.
If the rules say that you can’t make radical change now then break the rules, if the fascists try to stop you then it’s a war. So be it. The alternative is the end of the world.
good thing that’s not at all what I said.
okay, so you’re not talking about functional government anymore, you’re talking about revolution. If your plan was to sit back and wait for democrats to do that… lol.
Yes, of course I’m talking about revolution. That is what is necessary.
What’s this “radical change” and why haven’t you made it happen yet? Like what are you actually doing other than shouting into the void about other people doing the wrong thing? Even if someone reads your post and is like “yeah that’s right” what are they actually supposed to do next? What rules are we supposed to break?
Before we can do anything, we need an organized group of people who can agree on what needs to be done. Before we have that, we have to identify that what is being done isn’t enough. People who believe that the Democrats are doing enough on this topic aren’t going to organize with us for radical change.
What are we supposed to do? End the use of fossil fuels and transition to solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, nuclear power in whatever configuration the experts determine is necessary. End the use of cars outside of necessary exceptions and transition most transport to trains and bikes. End animal agriculture. Democrats are not doing these things, do not want to do these things, will not do these things. You have to recognize that Democrats are your enemy just as much as Republicans.
and to do that, you need to stop the climate change denial propaganda. exactly what I said from the beginning. the government is never going to have power to do anything if half the country is brainwashed.
They know exactly what they are doing. They are saying one thing publicly, but the nitty gritty is that they are enabling the ability to manipulate wealth using the power to choose the winners and the insider knowledge that enables enormous wealth generation. There is a reason why few politicians are poor even if they entered office penniless, and it isn’t book deals or speeches.
Politicians are not idiots (usually.) Even the ones who are batshit crazy in the news have another personality that isn’t the mass media one. We know next to nothing about public figures and celebrities actual real beliefs or day to day behaviors, we only know the idolized media coverage which is itself tailored to generate more revenue, not deliver facts or do the right thing for humanity.