This one requires a bit of background.:
Hexbears keep opening the_dunk_tank posts about our mods and our instance in violation of their own comm rules. That compels me to go in them and try to correct the bad faith disinformation being peddled about us.
In one such thread one commenter made a reply to me ending it with “disengage”, which was a clear indication they didn’t want to engage in discussion any more, which I respected.
Note that there’s no indication of how disengagement works in any sidebars. And even their own Code of Conduct, merely states:
So it appeared to me this is how it works.
Later in the thread, someone kept making bad faith replies and at some point I thought, “I’ll just use this handy disengage rule to avoid being further provoked”. So I did, at which point I was gleefully and summarily banned by the mod with the following comment, to which I couldn’t respond anymore of course.
Now I knew already that plenty of hexbears had a grudge against me for rejecting “left unity”, so they were just looking for an excuse to get rid of me, they finally found enough of a plausible gotcha and all they could think of for the reason was “liberal”. Note that the first person “abusing the disengage rule” was never banned or affected in any way.
Ultimately this led me to being banned from hexbear itself, but that’s a post for another day.
So what do you think? Am I "liberal "enough to deserve a ban for “abusing” an unwritten disengage rule. Power trippin’ mod or nah?
Shitty instance? I came to this instance because it’s not been shitty.
I’m not sure a pirate can truly be liberal, there’s nothing more liberal than copyright. It sounds to me like the mod is having a bad day and needs to relax a little but seems to be power tripping to me.
Turns out tankies are shitty people; who knew?!
Power tripping for sure, you used the rule the same way as the person who initially used the Disengage rule incorrectly in the first place and you received a ban while they didn’t.
A warning would have been sufficient, but like you said they were likely looking for an excuse.
Just joined today. Almost joined hexbear because it was the first lefty instance I saw. I’m so happy I saw the piracy community on here and came here instead only to then realize there were fellow anarchists here.
Welcome
- Avoiding discourse through name calling.
- Anyone who doesn’t think the exact same as me is the enemy.
- Closing down the doors to not let the light in.
Little good comes out of militant instances, stewing in their own hatred.
Real shame, society and forms of improving it are all worth exploring.
Might want to add this screenshot, it is of that mod removing the posts about you from the_dunk_tank, she has also removed others.
I find it interesting that you’ve made a community to abuse your admin powers that deanonymize the modlog both admin only powers and have titled the community Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards.
You’ve recently complained to me about moderators not acting on reports, but when you engage in moderator harassment, how can you be surprised?
There is currently an organized effort to harass lemmy.world mods, this community will only add to the harassment they face.
Would you allow posts here from people you have banned from https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/adhd ? Would you allow a post complaining about an admin removing a piracy related meme because he didn’t like the politics of it? How can you complain about the_dunk_tank when it has more protections in place than this one?
I’ve been banned from plenty of communities and instances yet never felt the need to create something like this, as a lemmy instance admin we need to do better. A different admin posted in a similar community and nearly ran off a marginalized user from the lemmy-verse, is your intention here the same? To bully marginalized people off the platform?
I didn’t abuse anything. As my screenshot show, your mod publicly posted and announced she was the one that took the mod action!
I also didn’t make this community for this ban (it’s been months), but rather it was triggered by the other ban I received which you can also find posted. I just felt this sort of thing also belonged here.
I also noticed you didn’t address any of your own mods behaviour even though they’re clearly in the wrong. You’re more incensed about us shining light on her power tripping than the act itself.
Also I don’t follow hexbear norms about “Moderator harassment”. I don’t consider speaking truth to hierarchical power to be abuse. And yes, that means that people are free to make posts about our own mod actions in his instance. We stand behind everything we do but also acknowledge we can do mistakes like humans.
I’ve told you before that your own dunk tank members routinely violates it’s own rules. You misunderstand if you think I’m upset that you dunk on mods, specifically. I only call out hypocrisy. You can keep telling me that oh eventually you handle the reports of your own member breaking your rules and the aggrieved party jumps through your hoops (if they even can) but if you have a community that considers its own rules as something to ignore when funny, then I would shut it down as unsalvageable.
Likewise it’s disgusting to equivocate criticizing mod actions as “bullying marginalized people off the platform”. Nothing I said had anything to do with anything other than one’s mod status and the fact that someone is marginalized doesn’t exclude them for being criticized for hypocrisy.
I won’t allow this community to end up like the dunk tank where people do bad faith interpretations in order to pile on. We have very clear rules of what and what form criticism takes and it’s also focused on keeping the hierarchical power in check, including mine.
And if I find that the community members routinely bend the rules to the breaking point, and we can’t handle it with mod actions , I’ll shut it down myself.
Its amusing you bring up “protections”, meanwhile you’ve got mods who circumvent the word of their admins. Maybe if you don’t want your instance dragged through the mud, you should clean up your leadership?
I will say, the admin I dealt with there was reasonable. They at least took the time to understand what I was saying, while the rest of the instance intentionally misread my comment as pedophilic. Hell, one user (out of at least twenty) even called out the fact that the vast majority were intentionally misreading the comment. And when that admin decided “okay, look, just apologize for the misunderstanding and drop it” and I did?… the mod who originally banned me from one community “stepped in for admins” and banned me from the entire instance.
That’s some great protections.
Federation issues are preventing my from directly responding.
I am specifically calling out your original post image where you use the admin privilege to deanonymize the modlog I have no issue with you posting where she self-discloses in an attempt to clarify the rules.
And in spite of her personal opinions about you or the db0 instance, still followed the rules and removed a post targeting you. How is that a power abuse?
Any hexbear user can become a moderator, what is the process for a divisionsbyzero user to become a moderator?
Compare the fact that most db0 communities are moderated by admins to the amount of hexbear communities moderated by admins. You will see how large the difference is, which speaks to how important a diverse power structure is on hexbear in relation to here. This is hypocritical as the power structure of db0 is much more centralized and vertical than hexbear.
You proved my point that you used your admin powers to create a community to complain about your bans, whatever that’s your right as a server admin I am just pointing out the hypocrisy that you are using the admin power to deanonymize the modlog, you did the same for the mod in the .ml community ban as well as the power of community creation.
How are the mods in the wrong? you were liberal in your defense of the meme and despite ideological difference the mod remove the post targeting you, sounds like they are doing an exemplary job.
Do you have any actual evidence? I asked this last time, and you did not, yet I provided multiple modlog screenshots (properly anonymized) showing that they do in fact remove many posts for rule violations. You are still making nebulous claims about the_dunk_tank with no proof at all, so I don’t expect you to change.
So it is ok for you to criticize moderators publically, but it is wrong when hexbear users criticize you and unruffled? Another case of hypocrisy yet despite that you were afforded the same protection as any other in the dunk_tank. That is no mods/admin or users of no consequence are to be posted.
I have no care for your emotional state, I am only doing the same calling our your hypocrisy.
A lemmy admin who was marginalized was nearly bullied off the platform by a community just like this one, in fact that community has the decency to remove the names of the admin/mod. I won’t hold my breath for you to begin criticizing the liberal, cis, white or male users of lemmy. It is sad to say you have already let the community become worse than the dunk_tank as I have shown you are lacking rules that prevent brigading.
The_dunk_tank rules and moderators work towards providing a place to ideologically criticize politicians and people of importance, not as a vindictive place to encourage bullying of other lemmy users and mods.
Please don’t throw stones from a glass house, you are just a hypocritical as the mods you claim to expose. I know you like to dig into arguments but creating a community to vent your own grievances in a non-productive way is sad.
edit also the disengage rule is written in the code of conduct, you know that as you referenced the hexbear code of conduct to me before
edit 2 Also this moderator is a mod of our trans community, something reserved for trans users. So yes you are targeting a marginalized person, the same person that you have harassed in direct messages. This combined with a history of not dealing with homophobia/transphobia in the past. I think there is a clear pattern that comes from the top in this instance, which is truly disheartening.
"Unruffled@lemmy.dbzer0.com saying “using gay as an insult actually isn’t homophobic” and seeing nothing wrong with one of their users posting such a take in a thread about queer liberation, a thread where the OP expressed his happyness about not being insulted as gay anymore when he doesn’t bother to meet standards of toxic masculinity. That’s the context the homophobic post in question was originally posted in, just to show you how out of place and tone deaf and shitty that take was. And Unruffled is like “hey, i see nothing wrong with any of that”, directly quotes the homophobia apologia that accuses our comrade of taking it too seriously for “being insecure about his sexuality” and expressly agrees with all of it, all so he can continue to pester me with inane bullshit about me being sectarian just because i had the audacity to state my subjective and entirely honest impression that dbzer0 users never came off as leftists to me, which seems to have aggravated him so much that he, as a gay man, excuses homophobia to disprove my point.
I’m not even beginning to get into the absolutely insufferable amount of debate pervertry and the total lack of principle and self respect necessary to act the way he did, it’s damning enough that he’s shown his entire ass by excusing classic homophobic talking points and toxic masculinity while using his own gay identity as a shield. That’s just fucking vile. I know fully well why our comrade started that thread the quoted take was posted in, i’ve been called gay and the f-slur all my life even before i came out as a trans woman. You do not get hit with this shit by people who “have nothing against gay people”, you get hit with that shit because you do not meet cishetnormative policing of assigned male gender roles, which of fucking course also expressly targets gayness in itself, just not exclusively so, because it serves a wider purpose in upholding patriarchal notions of masculinity, but of course that attitude has always been inseperable from homophobia, it was just that it was so widely accepted and normalized that people engaging in it could easily deny their homophobic sentiments and their own participation in the opression of queerness.
And Unruffled openly states, i am quoting him verbatim now, “this is a perfectly reasonable take and not homophobic at all”"
I am specifically calling out your original post image where you use the admin privilege to deanonymize the modlog I have no issue with you posting where she self-discloses in an attempt to clarify the rules
What difference does it make once she admitted it? Anyway I wasn’t aware that lemmy deanonymizes for admins tbh as I only use this account. I’ll keep it in mind for the future.
And in spite of her personal opinions about you or the db0 instance, still followed the rules and removed a post targeting you. How is that a power abuse?
The power abuse was the banning as I have clearly stated?
Any hexbear user can become a moderator, what is the process for a divisionsbyzero user to become a moderator?
that’s completely irrelevant to whether someone abuse mod powers.
How are the mods in the wrong? you were liberal in your defense of the meme and despite ideological difference the mod remove the post targeting you, sounds like they are doing an exemplary job.
“You were liberal in the defense of the meme”? Wtf does that even mean? If you’re saying that your mods can just YOLO ban people based on vibes and then justify it by calling them “liberals” , I’d still call it power tripping.
Anyway I think I’ve been pretty clear that I think the mod is hypocritical and used their mod power because they have a grudge and you haven’t said anything to dissuade me. And honestly it doesn’t matter. She’s your mod, not mine. Do what you want and I reserve the right top criticize them as your whole community criticizes us.
So it is ok for you to criticize moderators publically, but it is wrong when hexbear users criticize you and unruffled? Another case of hypocrisy yet despite that you were afforded the same protection as any other in the dunk_tank. That is no mods/admin or users of no consequence are to be posted.
I already have told you it’s ok to criticize us. I don’t particularly mind the dunk tank posts about us which is why I don’t particularly care to be your snitch. I care however about a community constantly spreading disinfo and then banning is us “liberals” for trying to defend ourselves. I only point out your hypocrisy in keeping a community around whose members routinely violate it’s own rules with abandon.
I won’t hold my breath for you to begin criticizing the liberal, cis, white or male users of lemmy. It is sad to say you have already let the community become worse than the dunk_tank as I have shown you are lacking rules that prevent brigading.
This is because you consider this comm as alike dunk tank, which it isn’t. This comm criticizes mods and admins, not random takes. But it just goes to showing how biased you are that you think we’re secretly bigoted because I dare to call you hypocrites.
The_dunk_tank rules and moderators work towards providing a place to ideologically criticize politicians and people of importance, not as a vindictive place to encourage bullying of other lemmy users and mods.
And yet, the latter is routinely on the menu. Your delayed mod actions once the party is over don’t change that fact. The idea that you’re not about bullying is rich when you literally have respected hexbears claiming that bullying randos is great praxis. Or do you you think that so much of lemmyverse has defederated from hexbear specifically due to bullying and brigades is just propaganda?
Please don’t throw stones from a glass house, you are just a hypocritical as the mods you claim to expose.
Please do point out my own hypocrisy. You said I don’t allow criticism of me and my own mods. I do. Even in this comm. What else have you got?
I know you like to dig into arguments but creating a community to vent your own grievances in a non-productive way is sad.
I find that having a place for public criticism of power is healthy for a leftist spaces. I find that unchecked mods become incestuous and out of touch until they destroy their own spaces. But we don’t have to agree.
edit also the disengage rule is written in the code of conduct, you know that as you referenced the
I literally posted all that your coc says already in the op. It doesn’t say anything about the word needing to be alone.
Don’t fall for the usual Hexbear stuff where they pretend they’re not just a bunch of trolls. And if you fart too loud, they’ll somehow find transphobia in that.
I know, it’s quite obvious they have weaponized trans issues and identity politics as a way to troll other instances. Just look how they went after the ml admins recently, and they are supposed to be best buds. It’s like they’ve just got to have their weekly purge, or they don’t feel right about the world lol.
edit 2 Also this moderator is a mod of our trans community, something reserved for trans users. So yes you are targeting a marginalized person, the same person that you have harassed in direct messages. This combined with a history of not dealing with homophobia/transphobia in the past. I think there is a clear pattern that comes from the top in this instance, which is truly disheartening.
Just because someone is marginalized doesn’t make them immune to criticism nor does it mean that any criticism of them is oppressing their identify. This is ironic in the same thread when you then proceed to accuse one of our mods of the hiding behind their identify.
I also know how haphazardly hexbears accuse others of bigotry when they aren’t cowered. Much like you threw your trans identities as a shield against criticism for power tripping and hypocrisy and then strongly implied we’re transphobes due to the that or when’s you accused the trans admin of blahaj of harboring transphobes and chasers.
We’ve already went through your arguments against unruffled and we already explain how you stretch what they said to arrive at these accusations. But I’m not going to rehash every grudge you have against our instance because you’re salty for one post criticizing one mod.
It is telling that you have no arguments to make against what I posted (hypocrisy and powers abuse) in the except to try keep trying to stretch reality so that we’re seen as bigots.
Everything you just said about me was quoted completely out of context, but of course it would be. At least this time you can’t go and remove my comments when I explain my position.
Context One of our users had been reported by a hexbear user for “homophobia” for what seemed to me at the time, a pretty innocuous statement. Here’s what OP had written:
I mean, not to directly play devil’s advocate but I heard plenty of the ‘that’s so gay’ stuff in high school and even then it was commonly understood to mean silly and stupid (ethics of this not discussed here). If you were actually gay no one gave a shit. Are you 100% sure it’s your sexuality they were talking about? Or is that something you assumed because you were self-conscious of it? I am not advocating for either way or saying it wasn’t done in hate, I just want to make sure you’re not putting yourself through undue hardship. [OG post by a dbzer0 user that was reported for homophobia]
Having reviewed the comment thread after a report of homophobia, my stated position was as follows:
It seems to be, as a gay person myself, that this is a perfectly reasonable take and not homophobic at all. He points out the common use of the word ‘gay’ in a common usage in high school. He doesn’t try to justify it ethically, just observes that it occurs, and asks if perhaps the common use of ‘gay’ as a general pejorative may have been the case here, instead of a direct comment on a person’s sexual orientation. So, it seems to me that the one example you provided is by no means a clear example of anything, except perhaps of hexbear users immediately making bad faith assumptions about users not from their instance. […]
I’ll point out here that I at no point argued that it was ok to use the term “gay” as a pejorative, and neither did the user who was reported as being homophobic. It seemed to me the user was simply pointing out that the term is unfortunately in common use as a pejorative, especially in a high school situation, and is often applied to people anyone and everyone, regardless of whether they are gay or not. And looking at their post history, there was absolutely no indication they were homophobic in previous comments, and in fact it indicated the complete opposite. Where the evidence points to a bad-faith interpretation of a user’s comments (as in this example) then we will generally give the user the benefit of the doubt. Again, I don’t apologize for that approach. Serious accusations require substantive evidence, and I found no substance to this report.
In this particular example, the hexbear user chose to “disengage” from the conversation (a classic hit and run job), and so my comment was removed by a hexbear mod, removing any context from the discussion. So, I’m now apparently considered by some hexbear users to be “a homophic mod, hiding behind being gay”, in large part because any contextual information was immediately removed, and I was almost immediately perma-banned (subsequently changed to a temp-ban).
And ever since, I’m branded as homophobic gay man by hexbear trolls everywhere, because haters gotta hate I guess?
Edit: had extended quotes too far
