• Martinphipps@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    You are technically correct. In a communist regime, the conservatives would technically be leftists.

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      Well, not only there. In most European countries that are typically socialist, liberalism is considered to be right-wing… eg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Initiative

      Look that I’m not saying the who’s right or wrong here, or if some ideology is better than another, I’m just pointing out a flaw in the post. Either way the number of downvotes in most post really shows how people care more about their ideologies than to actually understand what terms really mean and how perspective and context change things…

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        In most European countries that are typically socialist, liberalism is considered to be right-wing

        Because most European “liberals” nowadays are only liberals in the way that don’t want to pay taxes, hate that the government tells them not to exploit workers or pump pollution into the air, and many loathe the idea that there are consequences for discrimination.

        The rest of liberalism has rather fallen by the wayside in European liberalism.

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        4 months ago

        Well, that makes sense. Eastern Europe used to be called the “Warsaw Pact” in response to NATO.

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          I already know that. I’m telling you that you’re wrong, if we achieved communism, conservatism wouldn’t become leftwing or progressive or non-traditional.

          Is feudalism left wing? Is it progressive? If someone advocated for us returning to serfdom instead of capitalism, are they being progressive? Are they left wing?

          Modern conservatism would look as ridiculous as advocating for feudalism in a capitalist society. If communism was achieved, there would be some other hypothetical political ideology that would be demanding progress, which would be the new left wing.

          Which is good, we are meant to grow as a society.

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                4 months ago

                Do you even speak English? It’s the people who want to keep things the way they are who are conservative and traditional.

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                  4 months ago

                  I don’t appreciate the verbal abuse. I obviously am speaking to you clearly.

                  people who want to keep things the way they are who are conservative and traditional.

                  Yes, OR they advocate for regression (aka Make America Great AGAIN), and in a future communist society, conservatives by today’s standard would be advocating for things to regress. To today’s standards. Which is like advocating for a return to feudalism by modern standards. How is this hard for you to understand?

                  Change itself is not inherently leftist. A change towards traditional or historical values (eg reversing Roe V Wade) isn’t leftist or progressive; it’s regressive. That’s right wing.

                  If an Amish person ran for office and wanted us all to give up electricity and to return to life as it was in the 1600s, they would not be leftwing. They would be considered right wing conservative. Advocating for policies from the past makes you regressive and conservative, not progressive and leftist.