“We will be dealing with this for decades to come. President Trump has said we want to start the largest deportation effort in history,” said Johnson. “It’s needed. We need to find all these dangerous people, criminals. They’ve emptied out prisons in Central America and sent them all over the border.”
And this fucking bullshit lie again. America runs on immigration. Try eating when there’s no migrants to work the fields you fucken racists.
Amid blistering summer temperatures, a federal judge ordered Louisiana to take steps to protect the health and safety of incarcerated workers toiling in the fields of a former slave plantation, saying they face “substantial risk of injury or death.” The state immediately appealed the decision.
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Last year, several men incarcerated at Angola along with the New Orleans-based advocacy group Voice of the Experienced (VOTE) filed a class-action lawsuit alleging cruel and unusual punishment and forced labor in the fields of the maximum security prison, once a former slave plantation that spans some 18,000 acres. The men, most of whom are Black, said they use hoes and shovels or stoop to pick crops by hand in dangerously hot temperatures as armed guards look on. If they refuse to work or fail to meet quotas, they can be sent to solitary confinement or face other punishment, according to disciplinary guidelines. [Emphasis mine]
Fortunately for the state, the 13th Amendment allows for slavery as “a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.” You may be sure that this will increase by many orders of magnitude if Trump and Johnson get their way.
You know what’s cheaper than underpaid immigrants? Barely-paid-at-all prison labor. They’re criminalizing homelessness (at the same time they’re raising rents and food prices), they’re trying to criminalize gay rights, women’s rights, civil rights, disabled rights, etc. Also trying to dismantle Social Security and Medicaid to force the old and sick to keep working, repealing child labor laws to force kids into the workplace earlier, withdrawing worker protections like heat and water breaks so they can be forced to work longer, etc.
It really depends on where the prison is. Some states “rent out” slaves prison labor to farms, local businesses, and global megacorps. The prisoners get paid pennies per day, get the absolute worst and most dangerous jobs, and have notably less protections than ‘normal’ workers.
I see people are continuing to bring this up for the completely wrong reason. We shouldn’t be protecting migrants just because they’re cheap labor. That’s a horrid stance to take.
US is facing a labor shortage as the biggest wave of retirements is hitting us right now. This directly leads to inflation (fewer goods made as the most productive seniors retire out of work with no viable workers under them).
Democrats are losing on the inflation discussion. Point out that cheaper immigrant labor will help fix inflation and you win two more arguments with the general population.
Do I have to explain to you that I’m from a Filipino migrant family and that we all support the US structure of selective job training getting an edge in the immigration field?
My Dad is political refugee running away from the Marcos regime in the 1970s while my Mom (and nearly her whole family) trained to be a nurse to get an edge in the US immigration.
Immigration generally sucks. But using the immigration system to fix the broken labor of the USA (ex: paying foreign nurses very well and offering them a migrant opportunity) is a great thing and great idea. It’s win for the people here, and a win for my Family who was able to take advantage of that to legally immigrate here.
There was no 'taking advantage of people’s in this setup. It’s how the system works and should work.
Do you actually know immigrants or do you just get angry on behalf of them? I’m sure there are a lot of different migrant stories out there. But my family’s story is largely successful and shows the benefits of the system.
Undocumented immigrants are another story. But you’ll likely lose the support of Filipinos who have to pass the Visa system legally to arrive in the USA (and other Asian or European immigrants) if you favor the undocumented who largely migrate up and illegally cross the border.
I don’t wish those people any I’ll will personally, but Filipinos largely are pissed at illegals for that reason.
So you support exploitation of immigrant workers in manual labor at places like farms and factories…because your mom made it and became a nurse? Those are entirely different ends of the spectrum. And your parents being immigrants doesn’t justify your argument that the country needs immigrants to “work the fields”. That whole industry is explicitly taking advantage of immigrants, legal or otherwise, because they have less opportunities than other citizens for a whole host of other major issues that also should be addressed.
I told you that the vast majority of migrants in my family are nurses. Does that sound like field work to you? Fuck.
Yall don’t even listen to immigrants. As I said earlier: yall just get angry on behalf of imaginary issues.
And yes. Fixing the nursing shortage in USA by encouraging immigrants to go to nursing school is a good fucking idea. The Philippines has good schools and Filipinos love to study and reach new academic heights. Who the fuck is the racist thinking that immigrant cultures are all just field work?
I’m trying to point out that there’s many immigrant stories. For the most part, the USA’s immigration regime is designed to help fix labor issues, not necessarily from cheap field work but mostly through hiring highly skilled workers (and encouraging specific studies from other cultures).
Ignorance of immigrants is the sin. Whether you’re on the left or right. I’m trying to point out where the system works and I think most people agree that encouraging work where USA has labor shortages (especially nursing) is a very, very, very good idea. And by and large, the Filipino community accepts this and understands it as fair. What the fuck is wrong with it? Or do you just want to get angry at everything?
And this fucking bullshit lie again. America runs on immigration. Try eating when there’s no migrants to work the fields you fucken racists.
That’s what all the newly born (unaborted) babies are for!
I wish I could add /s, but I feel like this is the real plan
The increase in slave labor via prisoners will “help” as well.
Already in progress.
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Fortunately for the state, the 13th Amendment allows for slavery as “a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.” You may be sure that this will increase by many orders of magnitude if Trump and Johnson get their way.
You know what’s cheaper than underpaid immigrants? Barely-paid-at-all prison labor. They’re criminalizing homelessness (at the same time they’re raising rents and food prices), they’re trying to criminalize gay rights, women’s rights, civil rights, disabled rights, etc. Also trying to dismantle Social Security and Medicaid to force the old and sick to keep working, repealing child labor laws to force kids into the workplace earlier, withdrawing worker protections like heat and water breaks so they can be forced to work longer, etc.
Yep, we never finished off the Confederacy and they never stopped wanting to enslave people, so here we are
what even do these prison-labor-slaves produce that’s so precious? are there specific products you guys could boycott?
sorry for the dumb question.
i’m a faraway european and don’t know much.
It really depends on where the prison is. Some states “rent out”
slavesprison labor to farms, local businesses, and global megacorps. The prisoners get paid pennies per day, get the absolute worst and most dangerous jobs, and have notably less protections than ‘normal’ workers.I see people are continuing to bring this up for the completely wrong reason. We shouldn’t be protecting migrants just because they’re cheap labor. That’s a horrid stance to take.
Why not?
US is facing a labor shortage as the biggest wave of retirements is hitting us right now. This directly leads to inflation (fewer goods made as the most productive seniors retire out of work with no viable workers under them).
Democrats are losing on the inflation discussion. Point out that cheaper immigrant labor will help fix inflation and you win two more arguments with the general population.
Do I really have to explain to you how exploiting people for profit is bad, even if (especially if) they’re immigrants or undocumented?
Do I have to explain to you that I’m from a Filipino migrant family and that we all support the US structure of selective job training getting an edge in the immigration field?
My Dad is political refugee running away from the Marcos regime in the 1970s while my Mom (and nearly her whole family) trained to be a nurse to get an edge in the US immigration.
Immigration generally sucks. But using the immigration system to fix the broken labor of the USA (ex: paying foreign nurses very well and offering them a migrant opportunity) is a great thing and great idea. It’s win for the people here, and a win for my Family who was able to take advantage of that to legally immigrate here.
There was no 'taking advantage of people’s in this setup. It’s how the system works and should work.
Do you actually know immigrants or do you just get angry on behalf of them? I’m sure there are a lot of different migrant stories out there. But my family’s story is largely successful and shows the benefits of the system.
Undocumented immigrants are another story. But you’ll likely lose the support of Filipinos who have to pass the Visa system legally to arrive in the USA (and other Asian or European immigrants) if you favor the undocumented who largely migrate up and illegally cross the border.
I don’t wish those people any I’ll will personally, but Filipinos largely are pissed at illegals for that reason.
So you support exploitation of immigrant workers in manual labor at places like farms and factories…because your mom made it and became a nurse? Those are entirely different ends of the spectrum. And your parents being immigrants doesn’t justify your argument that the country needs immigrants to “work the fields”. That whole industry is explicitly taking advantage of immigrants, legal or otherwise, because they have less opportunities than other citizens for a whole host of other major issues that also should be addressed.
So you like shoving words in my mouth to fit your political arguments.
> Try eating when there’s no migrants to work the fields(different user, my bad)Wild how I put words in comments you posted. Lemmy has such weird glitches sometimes.
I told you that the vast majority of migrants in my family are nurses. Does that sound like field work to you? Fuck.
Yall don’t even listen to immigrants. As I said earlier: yall just get angry on behalf of imaginary issues.
And yes. Fixing the nursing shortage in USA by encouraging immigrants to go to nursing school is a good fucking idea. The Philippines has good schools and Filipinos love to study and reach new academic heights. Who the fuck is the racist thinking that immigrant cultures are all just field work?
I’m trying to point out that there’s many immigrant stories. For the most part, the USA’s immigration regime is designed to help fix labor issues, not necessarily from cheap field work but mostly through hiring highly skilled workers (and encouraging specific studies from other cultures).
Ignorance of immigrants is the sin. Whether you’re on the left or right. I’m trying to point out where the system works and I think most people agree that encouraging work where USA has labor shortages (especially nursing) is a very, very, very good idea. And by and large, the Filipino community accepts this and understands it as fair. What the fuck is wrong with it? Or do you just want to get angry at everything?