As far as I know, she is the only Democrat challenging Joe Biden for the nomination.

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    young liberal, doesn’t-understand-consequences-yet, and gets-their-politics-from-tiktok vote

    Well, the middle-aged “I get my politics from MSNBC and trust the mainstream establishment” liberals have all decided that they’re okay with supporting genocide, so I’m with Marianne and the TikTokers on this one.

    Never again means never again. Fuck Biden.

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      The world is so profoundly unfair and fucked up and throwing more vulnerable people to the wolves doesn’t fucking fix that.

      This shit didn’t just happen. People ceded power to the worst of humanity for decades, and wrestling it back will be messy, slow and painful and unless you are getting on a plane rn to off Netanyahu, voting is the lever of power you have.

      Defy me. Show me you understand the consequences of your actions and tell me how not voting blue in November saves a single life.

      I’m all ears because Biden is a rich white guy in god’s fucking waiting room, you aren’t going to fucking punish him by not voting blue. It is all the women that will suffer and die from a lack of reproductive justice, it is the poor zip codes that will flood unchecked with posion into the air, food, and water, it is the lgbtq kids that are going to check out alone in some dark room rather than keep fighting against the system that wants to deny them their humanity, and it is the myriad of other preventable and pernicious indignities unfettered capitalism and christian nationalism throws the door open to, that will feed upon the underclasses.

      Never again is a cheap and hollow maxim when you sit back and do fuck all but bemoan that the goddamn fucking angels didn’t come down and clear you a righteous path to do something.

      Voting blue to help these people is an hour out of your day on a fucking Tuesday. You can knock it out while you grab some coffee on your way to meet up and plan the glorious revolution.

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        tell me how not voting blue in November saves a single life

        Genocide will stop when people stop supporting genocide.

        If your argument is that there’s too few of us to make a difference, that doesn’t matter. The handful of Germans who dissented from the Nazis probably didn’t make a difference either. It was still the right thing to do.

        it is the poor zip codes that will flood unchecked with poison into the air

        And what about the hundreds of thousands of people in Gaza who are being bombed to death? And the millions more who are close to starving to death?

        Sure, it sucks that Flint doesn’t have clean water, but it’s not really on the same magnitude, is it?

        And I was an lgbtq kid back when it was literally illegal to be gay in my state. Again, not great, but it’s not the same as being bombed and starved.

        You dare make appeals to compassion while turning a blind eye to genocide. It is absurd and obscene.

        Voting blue to help these people is an hour out of your day on a fucking Tuesday.

        If the Democrats want my vote, they can stop supporting genocide. It’s that simple.

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          Genocide will stop when people stop supporting genocide.

          No. It will only stop when the people that care can wield enough power to stop it.

          Voting blue allows for inter-party dialogues and the needful progressive backroom knifings to still happen, it empowers the pro-Palestine dems to make bolder moves. There will be sweet ole down ballot consequences to not showing up blue on election day.

          If your argument is that there’s too few of us to make a difference, that doesn’t matter. The handful of Germans who dissented from the Nazis probably didn’t make a difference either. It was still the right thing to do.

          Read some more history. Of course it’s the right thing to do. Aaron Bushnell did the right fucking thing. The right thing makes for great stories. However effective policy changes require political capital, it’s an unsexy slog but how the gears actually turn. Don’t like it? Run for an office and change it. But don’t pretend you are moving a needle with performative morality.

          Sure, it sucks that Flint doesn’t have clean water, but it’s not really on the same magnitude, is it?

          And I was an lgbtq kid back when it was literally illegal to be gay in my state. Again, not great, but it’s not the same as being bombed and starved.

          … so you are purposing involuntary solidarity-lite? Coolcool. Very justice. Pay attention to what SCOTUS just did. Think about what happens when Trump cripples the EPA, or when he appoints 2 30 year old christian right wing nut jobs waiting for the rapture to the court and the decades decades it will take to have a hope of restoring balance.

          You dare make appeals to compassion while turning a blind eye to genocide. It is absurd and obscene.

          The bad orange man is not coming with a crown of flowers and a dove in each hand. He wants to turn Gaza into glass so the crazy fundos that let him get away with crimes feel like they are closer to jesus and let him get away with more crimes. I am not turning a blind eye, I just don’t have a magic fucking wand. Voting blue does not stop you from protesting, it just protects the people that would be harmed by a Trump presidency. That is compassion in a foxhole my guy. With enough of a blue wave, dems can cudgel Biden into more action.

          Still haven’t heard your plan to stop it.

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            It will only stop when the people that care can wield enough power to stop it.

            We all wield a bit of power with our vote.

            And I’m sending my vote to candidates who don’t support genocide.

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              So by empowering the guy who really likes genocide, that’s how we stop genocide now.

              Again. Walk me through the steps.

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                You think Biden doesn’t like genocide? Was he forced into supporting this genocide against his will, because the US is a helpless client state of Israel? Occam’s razor, dude.

                Biden loves genocide. He loves killing brown babies. Why else would he do it?

                He’s a old racist colonialist white supremacist who thinks brown people need to be exterminated if they don’t respect their superior white masters.

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                  … so the way to a stop genocidal white supremacist… is too get the demonstrably more genocidal and openly white supremacist in power … Explain to me how that works again?