• SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    Both of these guys are ancient. I wouldn’t care if any of them used drugs (as long as they don’t pose long-term risks for their health) because they might as well be medication. Or are we going to be so dense that the idea that two 80 years olds are likely taking some medication is going to fly over our heads? Furthermore, where do we draw the line of what a “drug-enhancing drug” is? Coffee? Most adults take it to function under inhuman schedules. Adderall? If you do have ADHD, you do also need it to function; if you don’t have it, it’s going be even less useful than coffee. Anything else that they bought at a pharmacy? I don’t care.

    All in all, this looks like a talking point made up by people who want to treat politics like a sport, where we’re supposed to watch “athletes” compete with equal opportunity for performance, which is definitely not what a presidential debate should be about.

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      This is kind of obvious and I probably don’t have to say it but…

      Trump is doing this to weasel his way out of a debate he shouldn’t have agreed to. No way in hell Trump subjects himself to the same drug test. He’s betting on Biden not agreeing to it either so he can just say “well those liberals are obviously playing dirty so I’m out”

      The drugs in question are necessarily irrelevant

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      They’re more likely using “wakefulness promoting agents” like modafinil and armodafinil (Provogil/Nuvigil respectively, or probably some better shit in the same class) which are actually kind of amazing and I have zero issue with them taking it.

      Non-euphoric, and as far as I’m aware, not physically habit forming; it just keeps you awake and alert, I don’t know how else to describe it. Essentially none of the side effects (pleasurable or not) of traditional stimulants. After about 8-10 hours you sleep pretty ok.

      I’m really not sure why these drugs haven’t become more popular over the last decade or two… Probably the whole “not habit forming” thing.

      I’ve got a stash that I’ve had in a drawer for 5+ years and I’ll take one like three times a year or something as needed.

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        not physically habit forming; it just keeps you awake and alert…

        The military would like to know your location as it keeps having problems with minor issues like sailors falling asleep while driving ships.

        Jokes aside, these are incredibly habit forming in the wrong environments. Under supervision and attempting to stabilize your sleep schedule they’re great. But the abuse envelope is huge, from truckers to cops.

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      Um Adderall is not less useful than coffee for non-ADHD peeps.

      Edit: reading other comments, I see what you mean. For dementia/clarity, no, but just wakefulness, yes it does something.

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        As far as I know, Adderall for people without ADHD induces the self-perception of higher performance, yet increase in performance isn’t actually statistically noticeable, so it might be useful for someone who feels emotionally stuck (afraid of failing, tired), but not for someone who does not have the capacity to do well, much like caffeine only gives you the self-perception that you’re less tired than you actually are.

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          I mean, fighter pilots are given them to stay sharp on long missions. You think that’s because they’re emotionally stuck?

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            Every fighter pilot I’ve ever dated was emotionally stuck. Or “stalled” as so many of them insisted on calling it.