“While Trump did say that there were ‘very fine people on both sides,’ he also specifically noted that he was not talking about neo-Nazis and white supremacists and said they should be ‘…
No. No reasonable person would define “very fine people” as those who venerate someone who fought a war for the purpose of maintaining the institution of slavery.
I have not heard any argument that convinces me that such statues and monuments ought to be kept.
I’m not debating whether taking down the statue was right or not. My point of contention is that when Trump said very fine people there is no indication he was calling nazis and white supremists very fine people.
Yeah I understand the argument here: Somehow, mixed in among those white supremacists and nazis were some very fine people who just happened to find common cause with racists and fascists, but remained morally and ethically seperate from the groups they were marching together in the streets with. I find this assertion unconvincing.
No, I don’t make that claim because it is too general. It seems like a setup for a reductio ad adsurdum argument that I don’t feel like I want to cooperate with.
I’m saying that if one finds themself marching in the same protest in the same street on the same side as david duke the notorious klansman, then one is not in my opinion a “very fine person”.
Were there other people there besides white supremists and meo-nazis opposing the tear down of the statue?
Yes of course there were. There were also white supremacist and neo-nazi sympathizers.
So some of the people there protesting the teardown were fine people?
No. No reasonable person would define “very fine people” as those who venerate someone who fought a war for the purpose of maintaining the institution of slavery.
I have not heard any argument that convinces me that such statues and monuments ought to be kept.
I’m not debating whether taking down the statue was right or not. My point of contention is that when Trump said very fine people there is no indication he was calling nazis and white supremists very fine people.
Yeah I understand the argument here: Somehow, mixed in among those white supremacists and nazis were some very fine people who just happened to find common cause with racists and fascists, but remained morally and ethically seperate from the groups they were marching together in the streets with. I find this assertion unconvincing.
Is your argument that having any view similar to a white supremists or Nazi that makes you a white supremists or Nazi?
No, I don’t make that claim because it is too general. It seems like a setup for a reductio ad adsurdum argument that I don’t feel like I want to cooperate with.
I’m saying that if one finds themself marching in the same protest in the same street on the same side as david duke the notorious klansman, then one is not in my opinion a “very fine person”.
Guilty by association is a common logical fallacy, it doesn’t matter how you try to narrow down.
If a nazi is sitting at a table with ten other people. You got a table of 11 nazis
I don’t consider everyone that attended BLM protests rioters, do you?
YOU: “Help I’m grasping for straws!”
It looks like your little example blew up in your face.