He should say that pursuing a law to codify a woman’s right to an abortion is a major plank of his 2024 platform. I’ll vote for him if he does that; hell, I’ll go get ten people who aren’t registered, and make sure they vote as well.
He can win on this issue alone, but he has to do more than luke-warm ideations and milquetoast ‘support’, as if it needs to be someone else taking up the banner to do so. I don’t need him to express passive support for issues like abortion rights, which is all those citations offer.
I need to hear him say he’s going to own the issue and fight to make it a reality. Passive support simply isn’t good enough.
Did you look at any of the links? That’s exactly what he said, multiple times in the past, and continues to do so, like in the state of the union… I linked tons of things his administration has done over multiple years, endorsements of his policies and budgets from abortion right groups for multiple years. I don’t know what else I can tell you, I don’t know how he could be any more clear in his statements.
“If Americans send me a Congress that supports the right to choose, I promise you: I will restore Roe v. Wade as the law of the land again,” the president said, with Supreme Court justices in attendance for this address to Congress.
So I guess grab ten friends who aren’t registered and get to voting.
“If Americans send me a Congress that supports the right to choose, I promise you: I will restore Roe v. Wade as the law of the land again,” the president said, with Supreme Court justices in attendance for this address to Congress.
That isn’t the same thing as what I said. Biden is taking a passive position of support. In the same way that the administration might write a budget, Biden’s office can propose legislation they would like taken up. He could work with house members to do so tomorrow. He can make this a priority of the administration.
The key difference I’m seeing that you dont is that passive support isn’t equivalent to actively fighting for something. I’m making a commitment that if Biden takes this on as a “active fight”, in contrast to something they “passively support”, I will to.
As far as I know, working with the house to get a bill to encodify a right to an abortion is not a campaign promise Biden has made. He’s offered passive support that if someone else does the work, he would support it. These two things are not equivalent.
The house did pass a bill codifying Roe v Wade with Biden’s support during his first two years when dems still controlled the house. Biden tried to get the senate to overturn the filibuster to get the bill through. The first president to support overturning the filibuster for something in over 100 years to the best of my knowledge (I think Wilson was the last one to make an attack on the filibuster, but that was just to get it to our present day rules from an even worse version). And I already linked many active ways his administration has supported abortion rights and reproductive rights more generally throughout the first term. Sorry but I don’t think there’s any point in continuing the discussion any longer, because I think your mind is made up and no matter what I point out the goal posts will be shifted again.
Ok, point made. I owe you ten. I’d still like to see Biden “actively supporting”/ “actively promoting” the a woman right to choose in his 2024 campaign language, but if he’s working to push both the American people and congress to do so, that is specifically what I asked for.
Thank you, and to be clear I totally agree with you, this needs to be shouted from the rooftops as a central part of his and many other democrats campaign
Holy crap you’re awesome! A president supportive of abortion rights isn’t a guarantee of getting something through, but it’s definitely a whole lot easier than trying to get something through with a president that doesn’t support them.
Well its like I said. I need Biden to advocate for them, not to be supportive of them.
Its a fundamental and important difference. I really think Biden could win if he makes this the “issue of the election” and uses it to distinguish himself from Trump. Passively saying “Well if the American people want it enough, I’ll support it” isn’t good enough. He needs to advocate for it; to get onto TV and media and present people with why this is such an important issue and why it should be the case.
He doesn’t get anything ‘passively supporting’ the issue.
Cool.
He should say that pursuing a law to codify a woman’s right to an abortion is a major plank of his 2024 platform. I’ll vote for him if he does that; hell, I’ll go get ten people who aren’t registered, and make sure they vote as well.
He can win on this issue alone, but he has to do more than luke-warm ideations and milquetoast ‘support’, as if it needs to be someone else taking up the banner to do so. I don’t need him to express passive support for issues like abortion rights, which is all those citations offer.
I need to hear him say he’s going to own the issue and fight to make it a reality. Passive support simply isn’t good enough.
Did you look at any of the links? That’s exactly what he said, multiple times in the past, and continues to do so, like in the state of the union… I linked tons of things his administration has done over multiple years, endorsements of his policies and budgets from abortion right groups for multiple years. I don’t know what else I can tell you, I don’t know how he could be any more clear in his statements.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-biden-promises-to-restore-roe-v-wade-as-the-law-of-the-land-in-his-2024-state-of-the-union
So I guess grab ten friends who aren’t registered and get to voting.
That isn’t the same thing as what I said. Biden is taking a passive position of support. In the same way that the administration might write a budget, Biden’s office can propose legislation they would like taken up. He could work with house members to do so tomorrow. He can make this a priority of the administration.
The key difference I’m seeing that you dont is that passive support isn’t equivalent to actively fighting for something. I’m making a commitment that if Biden takes this on as a “active fight”, in contrast to something they “passively support”, I will to.
As far as I know, working with the house to get a bill to encodify a right to an abortion is not a campaign promise Biden has made. He’s offered passive support that if someone else does the work, he would support it. These two things are not equivalent.
The house did pass a bill codifying Roe v Wade with Biden’s support during his first two years when dems still controlled the house. Biden tried to get the senate to overturn the filibuster to get the bill through. The first president to support overturning the filibuster for something in over 100 years to the best of my knowledge (I think Wilson was the last one to make an attack on the filibuster, but that was just to get it to our present day rules from an even worse version). And I already linked many active ways his administration has supported abortion rights and reproductive rights more generally throughout the first term. Sorry but I don’t think there’s any point in continuing the discussion any longer, because I think your mind is made up and no matter what I point out the goal posts will be shifted again.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-says-he-supports-exception-to-filibuster-to-codify-roe-v-wade-into-law-11656596123
Ok, point made. I owe you ten. I’d still like to see Biden “actively supporting”/ “actively promoting” the a woman right to choose in his 2024 campaign language, but if he’s working to push both the American people and congress to do so, that is specifically what I asked for.
Thank you, and to be clear I totally agree with you, this needs to be shouted from the rooftops as a central part of his and many other democrats campaign
Well I’ve already got two commits from NC to get registered and vote.
Holy crap you’re awesome! A president supportive of abortion rights isn’t a guarantee of getting something through, but it’s definitely a whole lot easier than trying to get something through with a president that doesn’t support them.
Well its like I said. I need Biden to advocate for them, not to be supportive of them.
Its a fundamental and important difference. I really think Biden could win if he makes this the “issue of the election” and uses it to distinguish himself from Trump. Passively saying “Well if the American people want it enough, I’ll support it” isn’t good enough. He needs to advocate for it; to get onto TV and media and present people with why this is such an important issue and why it should be the case.
He doesn’t get anything ‘passively supporting’ the issue.