Libertarianism (traditionally) is on the bottom of the vertical (authority) axis on a traditional political compass, if you want to use that. It is neither left nor right. It can be either. The people who have taken the name are on the right. They’re anarchy-capitalists who don’t want to be ruled by government but want to be ruled by capitalists. Anarchists, for example, are libertarian leftists, using the terms properly.
The political Compass is a joke. It’s more accurate than just left or right. But libertarian isn’t a state that spans from left to right at the bottom. Libertarianism as it was designed is strictly a left ideology. Oriented about social Freedom Above All Else. Economic liberalism. Is an ideology predicated on complete economic freedom. Economic Liberals are not libertarians. Never have been. Never will be. They have diametrically opposed ideologies.
The problem with economic liberalism is that it puts the cart before the horse. You cannot have a free economy without a free society. Economic liberalism doesn’t care about Society in general. Just the free market. And they figure that magically a free Society will somehow follow. It never has but that’s the magical thinking involved.
Please explain. None of you can explain how that is. You just pretend it is. You just redefined things to mean whatever you want ignoring their original meaning. I can point to actual facts and evidence. I can point to history. All you can do is claim something and not back it up. Do you honestly think Joseph Dejacque would be accepting or abide a group of delusioned liberal nuggets? Do you even know who he is?
For those actually curious. Joseph Dejacque is the man that coined the term Libertarianism and defined it. He fought against imperialists, mercantilist, and capitalist. He was literally active in the French Revolution in france. In the early 1800s. Fervently pro labor etc. For 100 years there were no “right wing” libertarians. But post red scare and the 1950s. A bunch of privileged economic liberals decided to redefine the ideology and it’s meaning from the ground up. To be the opposite of what it’s creator intended. And the easiest way to prove this is to ask a right-wing liberal about Adam Smith and the Invisible Hand of the market. They literally fetishize him. The man and his ideology. Economic liberalism
Your name is now Dipshit MCGee. You will be referred to as such by everyone at all times, or I’ll shit and piss myself while whining about linguistic positions I don’t actually understand.
We’ve all agreed, the ignorant dumbasses of the world, and if you don’t you don’t understand language.
Your name has been given to the guy you hate most in the world. He’s decided to spell it differently. Incorrectly. And, this is important:
He’s doing it just to piss you off, because he is literally just a spiteful, self centered moron.
And your name is now Cockface McTrumper. I hope you shit and piss yourself as much as you’ve promised; otherwise you’ll get demoted to Lying McFuckface.
That’s your position, as you will recall, not believing in objectivity and precision of language, and that the enemies of an ideology get to decide what their own name means.
Dipshit.
Who tacitly accepted my change of their name, btw.
You do know definitions and usage change over time, right? That’s like comparing an Eisenhower Republican to trump. There may be a few similarities, but overall they’re wildly different.
Golly! Look at that. The Liberals were so confident that they were right. I mean if I’m so ridiculously wrong shouldn’t it be easy to prove me wrong? Kind of by definition even? Makes you wonder why they aren’t trying. I’m sure they will continue to pyrrhicly down vote regardless.
You think that’s bad? Heh Libertarianism is a leftist ideology. Not at all liberal. They HATE us.
Heh and all the down votes without rebuttal prove it. They know better. They still hate to admit it. But they know better.
Libertarianism (traditionally) is on the bottom of the vertical (authority) axis on a traditional political compass, if you want to use that. It is neither left nor right. It can be either. The people who have taken the name are on the right. They’re anarchy-capitalists who don’t want to be ruled by government but want to be ruled by capitalists. Anarchists, for example, are libertarian leftists, using the terms properly.
The political Compass is a joke. It’s more accurate than just left or right. But libertarian isn’t a state that spans from left to right at the bottom. Libertarianism as it was designed is strictly a left ideology. Oriented about social Freedom Above All Else. Economic liberalism. Is an ideology predicated on complete economic freedom. Economic Liberals are not libertarians. Never have been. Never will be. They have diametrically opposed ideologies.
The problem with economic liberalism is that it puts the cart before the horse. You cannot have a free economy without a free society. Economic liberalism doesn’t care about Society in general. Just the free market. And they figure that magically a free Society will somehow follow. It never has but that’s the magical thinking involved.
Those downvotes are people’s way of telling you that your comment is so comically wrong it’s not even worth a rebuttal. I agree with them.
Please explain. None of you can explain how that is. You just pretend it is. You just redefined things to mean whatever you want ignoring their original meaning. I can point to actual facts and evidence. I can point to history. All you can do is claim something and not back it up. Do you honestly think Joseph Dejacque would be accepting or abide a group of delusioned liberal nuggets? Do you even know who he is?
For those actually curious. Joseph Dejacque is the man that coined the term Libertarianism and defined it. He fought against imperialists, mercantilist, and capitalist. He was literally active in the French Revolution in france. In the early 1800s. Fervently pro labor etc. For 100 years there were no “right wing” libertarians. But post red scare and the 1950s. A bunch of privileged economic liberals decided to redefine the ideology and it’s meaning from the ground up. To be the opposite of what it’s creator intended. And the easiest way to prove this is to ask a right-wing liberal about Adam Smith and the Invisible Hand of the market. They literally fetishize him. The man and his ideology. Economic liberalism
“Libertarian” doesn’t mean the same thing today that it meant in 2001; it’s a far departure from what it meant in the 1800’s.
Who cares what right wing “libertarians” think words mean? You can’t steal and shit all over the meaning of a word from the group that made it.
Those of us that use the English language on a daily basis.
Your name is now Dipshit MCGee. You will be referred to as such by everyone at all times, or I’ll shit and piss myself while whining about linguistic positions I don’t actually understand.
We’ve all agreed, the ignorant dumbasses of the world, and if you don’t you don’t understand language.
Your name has been given to the guy you hate most in the world. He’s decided to spell it differently. Incorrectly. And, this is important:
He’s doing it just to piss you off, because he is literally just a spiteful, self centered moron.
And your name is now Cockface McTrumper. I hope you shit and piss yourself as much as you’ve promised; otherwise you’ll get demoted to Lying McFuckface.
Nah, I don’t have to play along.
I don’t believe that’s how this works.
That’s your position, as you will recall, not believing in objectivity and precision of language, and that the enemies of an ideology get to decide what their own name means.
Dipshit.
Who tacitly accepted my change of their name, btw.
You do know definitions and usage change over time, right? That’s like comparing an Eisenhower Republican to trump. There may be a few similarities, but overall they’re wildly different.
Yes we are well aware. Up Is Down black is white love is hate war is peace freedom is slavery.
No, definitions don’t generally change. Especially not to mean the opposite of how they we’re initially defined.
You’re confusing a party for an ideology. There is no “Republican” ideology. Especially since Trump took over. Ideologically, since at least the 1930s Republicans were pretty solidly fascist. At least in private. They’re just more open about it today.
But hey, we can still compare our non aggression principles. This is mine.
It’s a French classic!
Golly! Look at that. The Liberals were so confident that they were right. I mean if I’m so ridiculously wrong shouldn’t it be easy to prove me wrong? Kind of by definition even? Makes you wonder why they aren’t trying. I’m sure they will continue to pyrrhicly down vote regardless.
Yawn.
That’s a sad response. But I know it’s the best you had liberal.😄
leftist yawn
If liberals knew what words meant or weren’t innately self-centered, they’d be social democrats at worst.
True. I still hold out hope for them. I know it’s possible for people to overcome. Even if it is hard.