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  • Bro666@lemmy.kde.socialM
    3·
    5 months ago

    You are moving the goalpost once again. First to be light the DE (i.e. Plasma) had to be light; then the DE had to be light, but not Plasma (?), but your redefinition of DE as in Plasma, plus a random set of apps (Dolphin, Konsole and Kate – none of which are distributed with Plasma, by the way).

    As that also proved to be light, now you are basing your argument on (a) a poll (?) and (b) that there is at least one desktop that is lighter and that does not need swap.

    I am perfectly willing to admit the latter, mainly because it is true: there ARE DEs lighter than Plasma. But it is a strawman argument, as admitting that does not invalidate the statement that “Plasma is light” and “KDE’S software is not bloated”.

    I wish you would stick to one thing and argue in good faith. You seem incapable of that so, I’m done.

    • d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz
      22·
      5 months ago

      I’m not moving any goalposts. You’re the one arguing about the semantics around “Plasma”, and I keep saying that’s irrelevant.

      Refer back to my original comment which was, and I quote:

      So, are there any plans to reduce the bloat in KDE, maybe even make a lightweight version (like LXQt) that’s suitable for older PCs with limited resources?

      To clarify, here I was:

      • Referring to KDE + default apps that are part of a typical KDE installation
      • Stating that a typical KDE installation is bloated compared to a typical lightweight DE like LXQt
      • Saying with the intention that the “bloat” is RELATIVE, with respect to a older PC with limited resources

      The ENTIRE point of my argument was the KDE isn’t really ideal RELATIVELY, for older PCs with limited resources, and I’m using LXQt here are a reference.

      In a subsequent test, here’s a direct apples-to-apples(ish) component comparison:

      Component Process_KDE RAM_KDE Process_LXQt RAM_LXQt
      WM kwin_x11 99 openbox 18
      Terminal konsole 76 qterminal 75
      File Manager Dolphin 135 pcmanfm-qt 80
      File Archiver ark 122 Lxqt-archiver 73
      Text Editor kwrite 121 featherpad 73
      Image Viewer gwenview 129 lximage-qt 76
      Document Viewer okular 128 qpdfview-qt6 51
      Total 810 446

      plasmashell was sitting at 250MB btw in this instance btw.

      The numbers speak for themselves - no one in their right minds would consider KDE (or plasmashell, since you want to be pedantic) to be “light”, in RELATION to an older PC with limited resources - which btw, was the premise of my entire argument. Of course KDE or plasmashell might be considered “light” on a modern system, but not an old PC with 2GB RAM. Whether something is considered light or bloated is always relative, and in this instance, it’s obvious to anyone that KDE/plasmashell isn’t “light”.