Like the title says, are there any EVs that just have a Bluetooth radio and that’s it? Like a normal car, not a smartphone on wheels? If not, do you all think that this will actually happen at some point? This is the main reason why I can’t (and will never) buy an EV. I like to have actual buttons everywhere on my car. I think those massive tablets on these cars with all the touch buttons are very dangerous. I like an “entertainment system” that only connects to my phone with either a headphone jack of or Bluetooth. It’s a car, not a PC.

  • dan@upvote.au
    24·
    9 个月前

    all seem to be “smart”, and cloud connected, and effectively hardware as a service to spy on you, and prevent repairs, and have software lockouts of

    This is happening with gas cars too. I was driving an Infiniti rental car and every time I started it, the infotainment system showed a disclaimer about Infiniti collecting and using data. There was a way of opting out of just some of the data collection, but no way of opting out of all of it.

    • penquin@lemm.eeOP
      4·
      9 个月前

      How does it connect to the Internet if you never connect your phone to it? Do they have their own network?

      • maynarkh@feddit.nl
        11·
        9 个月前

        Yes, most cars have had their own data connection for a while now. If I know correctly, it’s a requirement for Europe since you have to put that button to call emergency services in the car, so it has to have a GSM module, so effectively it has to have mobile data.

            • penquin@lemm.eeOP
              1·
              9 个月前

              I know of a story where a judge actually said that car makers are within their rights to collect your data as long as there is no harm done. Loius Rossmann made a video about it

              • maynarkh@feddit.nl
                1·
                9 个月前

                On one side, what the fuck, that’s not how it’s supposed to work. On the other side, at least precedent doesn’t mean much in the EU.

        • rmuk@feddit.ukEnglish
          1·
          9 个月前

          FWIW the EU’s eCall system doesn’t actually require a GSM module in the car; it’s enough to use a phone connected to the Bluetooth handsfree kit… That said, since most manufacturers already have the module for data-harvesting anyway it’s kind of moot.

      • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        9 个月前

        On star is one of those networks. There should be info in the owners manual on which fuse it goes to so you can pull it and disable it.