Innovation and privacy go hand in hand here at Mozilla…
Is this the time to drop firefox?
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Drop it for what?
Chromium ofcUhhhh WebKit I guessLibrefox? Or something else? Don’t know, but since Firefox is often recommended for privacy, I was wondering if this changes things?
Is anonymous data collection really that bad? They’ve also been open and explained their whole process. Like surely data collection needs to happen at some level to inform new features and design?
No it’s not that bad. They indeed are open about it. But it feels like baby steps in the wrong way. I don’t really have an opinion but I was just a bit disappointed about the path they’re going on. Because I don’t see the added value of knowing what users search for. So i was curious about opinions from more educated people.
The value is likely that they’re selling it. Because they’re a non-profit, and they have to make money somehow. Or they’re using it to develop some kind of ai search function.
But the important, critical fact here is that Mozilla has routinely demonstrated that they can be trusted when they tell you “You can turn this off, and if you turn this off, it is actually off, and it will stay off.”
You will never see that from Google or Microsoft or any of the others.
Look at the part where they mentioned that if you already disabled telemetry, this new telemetry is also disabled. Think about how rare that is nowadays with any consumer software from most big for-profit tech companies. New bullshit is always on by default, even if you disabled it previously. The fact Mozilla respected that puts them miles ahead of any of their competitors.
As for the “path they’re going on”, I don’t know what to tell you, man. Every company is on this same path right now. The economics of the internet and the tech industry have gone to absolute shit, where privacy, user choice, competitive markets, and non-profits are all dying a slow painful death to enrich wall street. Mozilla will probably get caught in it too, but the best we can hope for is they hold out the longest.
You’re right that they are miles ahead of other companies regarding communication and opt-out. And indeed it’s rare that they will adhere to your choice when they implement new functions. For new users it’s good to know that they perhaps want to switch this data collection off. Maybe it’s a knee jerk reaction from my side: wanting to increase privacy and seeing this message brought up some worries. Especially because other companies started the same. Google also disguises stuff for better privacy or security, but in the end it’s just to prevent users from blocking their data analytics.
opt-in, consent, etc.
mullvad browser is my go to, which is firefox… so i consider it part of the ecosystem of firefoxes
If they are so interested in asking me for my opinions on new features and design, they can post a survey. Stuff like Mozilla Connect already exists. No need to spy on everything I do (or don’t do).
mozilla is on a bad path, but they are still the most privacy respecting (with configuration) option of the big browsers today.
And the fact they provide those configurations is important in and of itself. Configurable software is falling more and more out of fashion.
This is disabled if you turn off telemetry in the settings, which users should already be doing anyway. I don’t see this as any worse than what they already do.
which users should already be doing anyway.
Not necessarily. If you want to support the software it’s generally a good idea to leave it on as it helps the devs find bugs and what features are needed and what existing features that are used.
Why would I disable telemetry when it can give valuable information for development purposes?
Capture everything you do on the browser 24/7 to machine-process it for “points”
vs
Simply asking for feedback or taking feedback directly on the points I’m interested, for example with a survey or Mozilla Connect
What points tho? Firefox doesn’t give you any points for anything.
Un-Googled Chromium?
Edit: Guess even FOSS has its limits
UN googled chromium is pretty good honestly.
But… you will lose lots of privacy options with manifest v3.
Are we ignoring the part where you can disable it the same way you always could?
They even when out of their way to assure you if you already had telemetry disabled, absolutely nothing is changing for you and no data is being collected now.
Still hate default firfox build u cant disable telemetry in about: config. Gotta go with librewolf.
I don’t really understand what search topics have to do with improving the browser. The blog post doesn’t make that clear at all.
Agreed. If it was for a search engine, it would make some sense, but the browser, WTF for?
Because the lived experience of many users is the browser integrates with the search engine to give you predictive suggestions as you type, identify images, translate, etc.
That’s cool, the thing is that Mozilla does not have a search engine. What’s the use for them? Benchmarking other engines? Knowing engine rankings?
What you mention in your comment, they already do now.
I don’t think they make a ton of sense. Just that there is some rational for a browser executive to talk about search engines.
Oh yeah, anything that can be potentially used to make more revenue will make sense to most C-suites.
I’m just glad there are still alternatives, but the degradation of quality of life for Firefox users just keeps dropping, and that is really sad.
Yeah, I genuinely think the Mozilla leadership resent Firefox.
This is my question as well. I am happy to leave it on if they can provide a clearer explanation of what my data will be used for, but for now it will remain off.
I’m not a fan of automated data collection, regardless of the reason. I see the merit, though, but I won’t allow it. The post is very clear about the preserved anonymity of the collected data, which is good, and on how to easily opt out, which is great.
This statement, however, was a bit strange. Almost like they are being flippant on local laws. Since I know this isn’t the case here, they should have phrased it different. (Emphasis mine)
Your search activities are handled with the same level of confidentiality as all other data regardless of any local laws surrounding certain health services.
They definitely could have phrased this better. I think what they mean is that their level of confidentiality meets or exceeds local laws.
That’s what I also understood. It’s just an odd, almost incorrect, phrasing. Unless our understanding is wrong, and they actually mean that they won’t follow the local laws if said laws require them to violate privacy.
