“b-but bears are actually dangerous!” Shut the hell up.

  • JaymesRS@literature.cafe
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    7 months ago

    Sometimes things aren’t your fault but are your problem. And men making excuses like “just locker room talk” and not confronting other men in their lives who do or say toxic things or espouse ideas or personalities that generally make women uncomfortable are our problems, whether or not they are our fault.

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      7 months ago

      I wish I could do this at work. The most inappropriate things I hear in a regular basis are from my own leadership.

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      7 months ago

      I mean, it depends. I am not my own gender police, I don’t see my life with my peers as “shaping the culture of manhood” because having gender in common is basically irrelevant and there is absolute no sense of belonging for me into “manhood” as a gender. We are not talking about contributing to shape the culture of your organization, or club or something, where there are (or should be) some form of shared values.

      In fact, I find this whole idea between silly and sexist, where by sexist I mean rigid attributes applied based on gender.

      The way I see it is that I - as a man - have absolutely nothing to do to help with the overall problem and the only way that I can help improve is by not being part of it (in this case, not assault, rape, stalk, harass etc.). That’s pretty much the end of it.

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      7 months ago

      I have no heard a man express what you would call a toxic opinion in like twenty years. And yet women are still just as afraid. Crime rates are at an all-time low, yet women are more afraid than ever.

      Whether it’s my problem is my decision. Primarily, it is women’s problem. And they have practical steps they can take to fix that problem. I refuse to make someone else’s problem my own problem, if that other person is ignoring steps they themselves can take to fix it.

      I’m all for helping out, but only people who have done the first step themselves.

      Women’s general attitude toward this is “It’s my problem but it’s your responsibility to solve it” and I say fuck that. I have my own problems to solve. My life is, in fact, absolutely full of problems that take all my energy to solve.

      • fiercekitten@lemm.ee
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        7 months ago

        I have no heard a man express what you would call a toxic opinion in like twenty years.

        Your personal experience is not representative of the experience of the rest of the world. Though I am very glad that this has been your experience!

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          7 months ago

          You’d think that it would appear on video maybe once, somewhere on the internet, if it were happening. Can you link to a place where men are saying these things? If not, does that indicate something about the rate at which it’s happening?

          I can link to videos of UFOs and videos of dogs walking on their hind legs. Are these defining our culture? If not, what does that imply about something you can’t find a video of?