“b-but bears are actually dangerous!” Shut the hell up.

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    2 months ago

    So if men are statistically safer than bears and women’s safety is most important, then you agree “bear” is the incorrect choice?

    I’m just trying to figure out all these incoherent memes.

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      2 months ago

      Do you have those stats? I would love to actually see a comparison, instead of a slap-fight

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        You’re asking for statistics in bad faith of the argument. Seems like you’re the one slap-fighting here - if you wanted to actually engage in logical discourse, you’d have presented statistics yourself, which you have not.

        There’s obviously no statistics on the rate of how many bear-human and male-female interactions happen. One rarely happens, the other happens billions of times per day. We can prove that bears are more aggressive and dangerous than humans though.

        In one black bear study 88% of fatal attacks were a result of the bear being the aggressor. Note that black bears are known to be timid of humans, and notoriously not aggressive.

        So, statistically even the more timid bear species are wildly more aggressive to humans than humans to bears. Unless you have data that proves that men are more aggressive to women than bears are to humans, this is the closest we get to proving men are statistically safer than bears.

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          In one black bear study 88% of fatal attacks were a result of the bear being the aggressor.

          Lmfao what a useless fact.

          How many rapes or instances of physical assault on a woman were a result of the man being the aggressor?

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              I would love to know how you went from percentages, which you quoted and I replied to, to overall numbers. You realize that’s not what you were talking about, right?

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          I’d specify further - a solo man/bear interaction with a woman in a remote location

          I don’t want cubs or captivity involved, and no bystanders. It might be more fair to make it strangers only too… That data is going to be a lot harder to quantify through

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        You’re just discarding every opinion as “toxic masculinity” which is actually worse than engaging in logical discourse.

        I’ll do everything in my power to empower women and make them feel safe. This thought experiment has unfortunately been detrimental and used to attack men.

        “It’s not you” - yes, and nothing I said made it about me at all. See how fast you went on the offense on a completely neutral comment? You should listen to your own advice and listen the points being made equally as much as you’re lobbying others to do.

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        2 months ago

        I read some of these, more to get insight into how other people think, but often I come to the conclusion that there is very little I can do to help and that people who behave that way aren’t people I want to help. My ego is just fine, thanks, but blind hostility isn’t something I welcome into my life.

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        i am not like that

        Congrats, you pass the bare minimum for human decency, dudes. Accept that part and you won’t spend time having to ‘defend’ yourself.

        I’m not like that, so I don’t need to worry about it, type of thinking