What is Defederation?

Defederation means we have disconnected our instance from another, and users from our instance will no longer be able to see anything (communities, posts or comments) coming from it, and their users won’t be able to see anything coming from ours.

What will get an Instance Defederated?

Our goal is to avoid defederation, but we will do so under the following circumstances:

  • The instance spreads overwhelming amounts of drama, hate or negativity.

  • The instance is mostly made up bots, and or promotes spam.

  • The instance allows the harassment or doxxing of others.

  • The instance knowingly hosts CSAM or other illegal content.

Has FMHY Defederated Instances?

Only two, both for breaking the 1st rule above:

  • exploding-heads

  • lemmygrad

Things to Note:

  • There are circumstances where we may block a specific community within an instance, rather than blocking the entire instance itself, but this is very uncommon.

  • Remember that if there’s a community you don’t like, you can block it entirely in settings.

  • Keep in mind that our goal is to keep this community safe, so if you see something that breaks our rules please don’t hesitate to report it.

  • If its something urgent, you can always contact us easily via Divolt 💬. Its connected to our discord, so there are mods online 24/7.

  • kuna@lemmy.fmhy.mlEnglish
    52·
    1 year ago

    Threads already violates rules 1 and 3, hosting people who escalated their harrassment into real life multiple times already, so I hope the decision to block them (should they ever choose to federate) is a no-brainer to FMHY admins.

    • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
      3·
      1 year ago

      How is threads more overwhelmingly negative or tolerant of doxxing than other major platforms? Like what is the basis for your comment?

      • kuna@lemmy.fmhy.ml
        41·
        1 year ago

        Threads is owned by Meta, which:

        If your point is that Meta is no worse than Twitter or whatever other corporate media, then whatever, I’m not really interested in discussions about whether it’s better to come down with plague or leprosy. They all suck.

        If your point is that Threads itself isn’t technically compilicit in anything yet after being up for 10 days, then I think that’s pretty naive.

        • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
          4·
          1 year ago

          Also if you’re gonna mention genocides that Facebook is complicit with, don’t forget the Rohingya genocide

        • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
          23·
          1 year ago

          You cited rule 1, which is

          The instance spreads overwhelming amounts of drama, hate or negativity.

          And rule 3

          The instance allows the harassment or doxxing of others.

          So the question is whether the fediverse instance Threads has done the bad actions.

          You are arguing for a preemptive defederation based on the actions of the corporate parent having nothing to do with content on the instance in question.

          Since libsoftiktok is on Twitter not Facebook, it seems you want to be defederated from Threads based on the actions of not just Meta, but also Musk’s Twitter.

          I mean it’s an argument, and many agree with it. Many instances have already defederated threads.net. but it’s certainly not in the rules cited in this post.

            • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
              3·
              1 year ago

              Wait. Threads requires an instagram account. How can libsoftiktok be on threads if she is permabanned from IG.

              Are you even sure this is true or is this just a rumor that you’re repeating?

              Edit: there does appear to be an account called libsoftiktokofficial. Not sure whether it’s really Chaya but it has plenty of anti-trans propaganda

              • kuna@lemmy.fmhy.ml
                2·
                1 year ago

                Ok fair, I’m not familiar enough with Threads lore to know if libsoftiktokofficial is really Chaya or not, and why the account is up if they were banned twice. It looks like their last post is from 6 days ago, but I’m not sure if I’m seeing the up-to-date view from the web interface from Europe (and honestly I can’t be arsed to try a VPN for that). Perhaps the whole situation on Threads right now is just early platform chaos.

                In any case, the whole discussion might be moot, if any of these happens to Threads:

                • Flops after the instagrammers get bored of it.
                • Thrives, but never enables federation.
                • Enables federation, but only as an allowlist for select big instances (like mastodon.social).
                • Enables open federation (RIP their mods after poa.st and people spinning up throwaway Pleroma instances catch a whiff of it), but the interface to Lemmy is too awkward for anyone to bother (like federation with Mastodon is wonky already).
                • Federation with random tiny Lemmy instances works in an usable manner, but someone on their side defederates after noticing that FMHY admins are very ok with piracy.

                On the off chance that none of that happens, though, I’m not sure what is to be gained from federating with an instance that has orders of magnitude more users than the entire fediverse combined (even if their count is inflated) and the only moderation policy is “whatever makes Zucc richer”.

            • ziggurism@lemmy.fmhy.ml
              2·
              1 year ago

              Libsoftiktok started on Twitter. And while she did have an instagram account, it was banned from both instagram and Facebook, while the Twitter account had its shadowban lifted after Musk took over.

              Given that Meta is presenting Threads as Twitter, but “sanely run”, and that libsoftiktok has already been permabanned twice, it seems likely that she will also be banned from Threads. Certainly this is a weird point to hang your case for defederating Threads on.