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    Yeah, and it includes doctors making 900k a year. Medians are good because they ignore the extreme ends. It is a literal fact that half of workers in America make under 41k a year. Maybe that fact is uncomfortable, but it’s an actual fact so it’s something you’ll have to deal with.

    It seems you don’t actually disagree with anything I’m saying though.

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      But it’s not useful because the household income is over 70K

      It makes it sound like half of people are supporting themselves making 40K, but that’s not the case

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        To pretend like it says nothing about the state of the country is a complete joke.

        Over half of people 18-29 are living with their parents, because you can’t live on your own and save up for a house on the median income anymore. Hell, before I got laid off I was making 130k a year and still didn’t move out because I knew at any point I could be let go (which is exactly what happened we got bought out and massive lay offs followed), and didn’t want to throw all my money away renting.

        People can’t support themselves on 40k a year, so they’re not. More people than ever are dependent on others to live, because they aren’t being paid enough to live. I have friends (we’re all in our mid 20s) who are making around the medium income. Two of them recently got let go, and were back living with their parents inside of a month because they weren’t able to save any money between rent, food, and other basic necessities to live.

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          Yes, because a lot of areas with good jobs vote against new housing, which causes increased rents and house prices.

          This is a true problem with society, not the amount that people make, but that they have to spend most of it on housing instead of the recommended 30%

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            The issue is the ratio. A medium salary could get you a medium priced house 60 years ago. This is no longer the case, not even close.

            Nobody cares what the actual number is. As long as median matches median, and spending power stays where it was in the 60s (or ideally improves, though that dream is dead), then that’s good.

            Wage growth stopped happening for the past half century. This isn’t good. Capitalists have been hoarding metric fuckloads of wealth, and it hasn’t trickled down (nobody in their right mind ever thought it would, but we now live in the world that conservatives 50 years ago wanted, and it’s failing miserably).

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                There were plenty of other periods where wage growth outpaced prices over a 2-6 year span. The issue is there are also periods where prices outpace wages over similar spans.

                What you end up with is 60 years of no wage growth. Biden didn’t magically fix this. If he somehow fixed boom bust cycles and set forth unprecedented policies that will fix fundamental flaws in capitalism, fantastic (hint: he didn’t). In reality, crises of overproduction still occur. We still need standard government intervention to stimulate the economy, e.g aggregate spending and interest rate changes.

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                  3 months ago

                  Except that’s also wrong

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                  There was a very short-lived peak one year in the 1973, but we’ve had consistent wage growth since 1990

                  Yeah, 1970s and 1980s sucked, but we’re at all time highs now. Honestly, that’s ancient history, for all of my life the line has been going up

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                    Your best evidence for wage growth over the last 60 years is a graph showing that in terms of real spending power there was literally no gain between 1973 and 2019?

                    Productivity skyrocketed in that time, and so has real wealth for people in the top 5%. That hasn’t been the case for workers, by your own cherry-picked statistics there were literally 0 gains made in 46 years.