How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse) écrit par Ploum, Lionel Dricot, ingénieur, écrivain de science-fiction, développeur de logiciels libres.
I can understand the appeal of growing numbers but I don’t think the risks outweigh the rewards. Unlimited growth is unsustainable anyway. We can exist without Meta. Meta is a poison pill that will eventually monopolize the fediverse if it has its way. This will not be the first time they killed off a decentralized platform.
will be “Watching Like a Hawk, with our Fingers Over the Block Button.” We will NOT be pre-emptively taking a “Fediblock as a Frist Strike” position.
His reasonings are much better supported compared to Eugene’s. I my opinion he seemed to downplay EEE without any defence mechanism
In my personal opinion, I support defederation until Meta can prove they won’t hurt fediverse. My points are
Fediverse, especially Lemmy is growing so well without Threads/reddit. We don’t need their contents. People who do would have stayed with reddit already. Having said that, why would we want to federate in the first place
The whole reason Lemmy is where it is today is due to people fed up with reddit’s. They’ve lost trust on Big Tech.
Imagine Meta set up an Lemmy instance. Are we willing to give them for free all the mineable data they would not have otherwise from scrapping? What if they use all that extra data to better train their AI and sell more targeted ads
On an instance like aussie.zone, our profile is likely linked to a city/location. I wonder how many of us set up accounts here just for this instance. I know I do, where i have another account elsewhere for my hobbies, interest groups so that I cannot be traced easily. With that in mind, people can easily create an account elsewhere to follow threads if they really want. Multi account is already supported in app such as Memmy
I’m really glad to hear this. honestly I think there’s a lot to gain and we have the privilege of choosing to defederate if it’s the right move, just cutting us off because we don’t like meta is a bit short-sighted. cutting us off if it’s doing harm is another thing, but it’ll hopefully be obvious.
I think the wait and see approach is probably best. Your average user doesn’t have to engage with Meta even if aussie.zone federates.
The good thing is even if aussie.zone federates with Meta your average user will never see any of the content unless they specifically subscribe to a meta community.
There is a chance Meta users could subscribe to aussie.zone communities but really the chance of that is pretty slim. It’s likely Meta will have “competing” communities for the same topic so why would they subscribe to this little backwater aussie.zone?
I’m 100% sure there will be many that just don’t like the idea of being federated with Meta from a personal/ethical standpoint and will likely threaten to walk even though the impact of federation will have no zero visibility on their experience in aussie.zone. That’s the beauty of Federation I suppose if you don’t like the way a site is run go elsewhere.
I’m also certain that there will be a lot of kneejerk freakouts and amplification of anything Meta does going forward. So I do ask @lodion@aussie.zone that you try to look at things objectively like the Mastadon admins are doing and try not to get caught up in the emotions of it all.
I’m the first to agree that some of the things Facebook has done to society as a whole are horrendous but I also take issue with people being disingenuous or amplifying something that is complete FUD about some of Facebook’s actions in the past too. “Fake News” no matter who pushes it is still fake news.
I can understand the appeal of growing numbers but I don’t think the risks outweigh the rewards. Unlimited growth is unsustainable anyway. We can exist without Meta. Meta is a poison pill that will eventually monopolize the fediverse if it has its way. This will not be the first time they killed off a decentralized platform.
I’m not interested in growing user numbers. But I am interested in having access to the content those users generate.
I am leaning towards defederating Meta… but for now am taking a more “wait and see” approach.
Thank you for being transparent. Your plan seem to align with that of some major mastodon’s instance owners, as they agreed with this guy https://www.timothychambers.net/2023/07/03/instagram-threads-and.html
His reasonings are much better supported compared to Eugene’s. I my opinion he seemed to downplay EEE without any defence mechanism
In my personal opinion, I support defederation until Meta can prove they won’t hurt fediverse. My points are
Fediverse, especially Lemmy is growing so well without Threads/reddit. We don’t need their contents. People who do would have stayed with reddit already. Having said that, why would we want to federate in the first place
The whole reason Lemmy is where it is today is due to people fed up with reddit’s. They’ve lost trust on Big Tech.
Imagine Meta set up an Lemmy instance. Are we willing to give them for free all the mineable data they would not have otherwise from scrapping? What if they use all that extra data to better train their AI and sell more targeted ads
On an instance like aussie.zone, our profile is likely linked to a city/location. I wonder how many of us set up accounts here just for this instance. I know I do, where i have another account elsewhere for my hobbies, interest groups so that I cannot be traced easily. With that in mind, people can easily create an account elsewhere to follow threads if they really want. Multi account is already supported in app such as Memmy
We can federate later if we really need to
My opinion would be to defederate and take a “wait and see” approach to federate if they behave themselves. :p
I’m really glad to hear this. honestly I think there’s a lot to gain and we have the privilege of choosing to defederate if it’s the right move, just cutting us off because we don’t like meta is a bit short-sighted. cutting us off if it’s doing harm is another thing, but it’ll hopefully be obvious.
I think the wait and see approach is probably best. Your average user doesn’t have to engage with Meta even if aussie.zone federates.
The good thing is even if aussie.zone federates with Meta your average user will never see any of the content unless they specifically subscribe to a meta community.
There is a chance Meta users could subscribe to aussie.zone communities but really the chance of that is pretty slim. It’s likely Meta will have “competing” communities for the same topic so why would they subscribe to this little backwater aussie.zone?
I’m 100% sure there will be many that just don’t like the idea of being federated with Meta from a personal/ethical standpoint and will likely threaten to walk even though the impact of federation will have no zero visibility on their experience in aussie.zone. That’s the beauty of Federation I suppose if you don’t like the way a site is run go elsewhere.
I’m also certain that there will be a lot of kneejerk freakouts and amplification of anything Meta does going forward. So I do ask @lodion@aussie.zone that you try to look at things objectively like the Mastadon admins are doing and try not to get caught up in the emotions of it all.
I’m the first to agree that some of the things Facebook has done to society as a whole are horrendous but I also take issue with people being disingenuous or amplifying something that is complete FUD about some of Facebook’s actions in the past too. “Fake News” no matter who pushes it is still fake news.