I seriously doubt that. If he is not convicted criminally, there is no way every future employer would know his name and tie him to the shooting. Unlike in the US names and faces of people charged with crime are not publicised and plastered all over the news.
Also if there is no criminal conviction, it is well possible, that he would get back into police work. Also judges tend to favorably set criminal convictions just so, that police officers do not lose their jobs based on being convicted of too serious of a crime.
So he has every mean to get back to his old life without further trouble, if he is not convicted. If he is convicted, well then he is a criminal and certainly not fit for duty.
And in no country that has due process, fair trial for a police officer would incentivise other police officers from “looking the other way”. That is just a boogeyman.
You really think that the full officer’s name won’t leak somehow?
I am almost certain the officer’s name will leak if it already hasn’t. There are plenty of people with political interest one way or the other to make it public. Or simply someone greedy enough for a scoop to build their journalistic reputation.
As for “look the other way”, once the police work and field decisions gets politicized enough, this can happen. And case Nahel is politicized to the max due to the scale of follow-up rioting. For example, I recommend to check what happened in Baltimore post-2015. The part from David Simon, a Baltimore police reporter, is interesting here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/02/baltimore-murder-rate-homicides-ceasefire
How would violating journalistic principles help someone build a reputation?
If the name leaks, the leak can be subject to criminal liability and civil damages, hence no reputable and attackable source would publish it to general access.
Do you think more than maybe a tiny fraction of french employers would read obscure online forums, or be involved in organizations, where such a name might circulate? i find that highely improbable.
Your article shows that the problem is the “tough on crime” approach that led to deteriorating relationships between the people and the police. It further says those to be vital to be able to identify and arrest suspects of serious crime, which in turn leads to polices inability to police murder in Baltimore. That no police officer was convicted after the dead of Gray further eroded those relationships
So the article emphasises, what you seem to argue against. It is crucial for the police to be able to effectively take its role, that the police itself is properly policed and violations by police officers are met with consequences.
To get back to France, killing someone in a traffic stop certainly will not help to build relationships and trust between the community and police.
There is a thing called “yellow press” which thrives on sensationalism and disregard of any sensible journalistic principles. Even if France would not have this, some countries do; the name might not come out in French media.
What kind of work do you think an ex-policeman with police training would find, where the employers would not care about background checks? It is probable that the line of work has to do with security, somehow. And the past would then inevitably come up. If not, they’re doing it wrong.
No, the article clearly states that the immediate blowback of that political decision was such that the policemen no longer risked the chance of reprimands and stopped doing their normal ways of patrolling/enforcing. This increased crime. Other reasons such as deteriorated relations also increased crime over a longer time.
Yes, indeed, use of lethal force is not much of an inter-community bridge builder… Add to this mix a lifestyle of petty crime and disregard for both the law itself as well as the state representatives who uphold the law, and there is an explosive mix. The law allows to stop dangerous and fleeing suspects. The police doing traffic stops do not know if someone flees because they are underage and driving without a license and fear/hate the police, or because they are terrorists en route with 400 kg of explosives or guns in the trunk. After 2017, because of the latter possibility, taking chances is risky.
I seriously doubt that. If he is not convicted criminally, there is no way every future employer would know his name and tie him to the shooting. Unlike in the US names and faces of people charged with crime are not publicised and plastered all over the news.
Also if there is no criminal conviction, it is well possible, that he would get back into police work. Also judges tend to favorably set criminal convictions just so, that police officers do not lose their jobs based on being convicted of too serious of a crime.
So he has every mean to get back to his old life without further trouble, if he is not convicted. If he is convicted, well then he is a criminal and certainly not fit for duty.
And in no country that has due process, fair trial for a police officer would incentivise other police officers from “looking the other way”. That is just a boogeyman.
You really think that the full officer’s name won’t leak somehow?
I am almost certain the officer’s name will leak if it already hasn’t. There are plenty of people with political interest one way or the other to make it public. Or simply someone greedy enough for a scoop to build their journalistic reputation.
As for “look the other way”, once the police work and field decisions gets politicized enough, this can happen. And case Nahel is politicized to the max due to the scale of follow-up rioting. For example, I recommend to check what happened in Baltimore post-2015. The part from David Simon, a Baltimore police reporter, is interesting here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/02/baltimore-murder-rate-homicides-ceasefire
How would violating journalistic principles help someone build a reputation?
If the name leaks, the leak can be subject to criminal liability and civil damages, hence no reputable and attackable source would publish it to general access.
Do you think more than maybe a tiny fraction of french employers would read obscure online forums, or be involved in organizations, where such a name might circulate? i find that highely improbable.
Your article shows that the problem is the “tough on crime” approach that led to deteriorating relationships between the people and the police. It further says those to be vital to be able to identify and arrest suspects of serious crime, which in turn leads to polices inability to police murder in Baltimore. That no police officer was convicted after the dead of Gray further eroded those relationships
So the article emphasises, what you seem to argue against. It is crucial for the police to be able to effectively take its role, that the police itself is properly policed and violations by police officers are met with consequences.
To get back to France, killing someone in a traffic stop certainly will not help to build relationships and trust between the community and police.
There is a thing called “yellow press” which thrives on sensationalism and disregard of any sensible journalistic principles. Even if France would not have this, some countries do; the name might not come out in French media.
What kind of work do you think an ex-policeman with police training would find, where the employers would not care about background checks? It is probable that the line of work has to do with security, somehow. And the past would then inevitably come up. If not, they’re doing it wrong.
No, the article clearly states that the immediate blowback of that political decision was such that the policemen no longer risked the chance of reprimands and stopped doing their normal ways of patrolling/enforcing. This increased crime. Other reasons such as deteriorated relations also increased crime over a longer time.
Yes, indeed, use of lethal force is not much of an inter-community bridge builder… Add to this mix a lifestyle of petty crime and disregard for both the law itself as well as the state representatives who uphold the law, and there is an explosive mix. The law allows to stop dangerous and fleeing suspects. The police doing traffic stops do not know if someone flees because they are underage and driving without a license and fear/hate the police, or because they are terrorists en route with 400 kg of explosives or guns in the trunk. After 2017, because of the latter possibility, taking chances is risky.