Metro rail has its place, particularly in large metropolitan areas. $20 to go from San Diego to Oceanside with AC outlets yet without I-5 traffic is superb. I’m a fan of the WMATA Metro (DC area) as well.
For an inter-city high-speed offering, I’m fairly skeptical. We have Amtrak and compared to air travel it costs just as much yet takes several times as long to move me across the country. It would have to be a high-volume route with a proven market for me to support it.
Try looking at somewhere that does have high-speed rail, rather than only considering Amtrak’s broken offering.
As an example; consider the journey from Paris to Nice. It’s a 580 mile drive taking ~9 hours, a 1.5 hour flight costing £129 or a 5.5 hour train ride costing £71.
Once you include the hassle and time required for airport security, the gap between the train and plane closes significantly. 1.5 hours flying plus 2 hours at the airport before takeoff and another half hour after landing takes it up to 4 hours already, rather than the train where you can just walk into the station and get on. Then there’s the comfort and facilities on-board. A cramped economy flight Vs a comfortable train with leg room, space to move around, charging plugs, etc.
When you look at it like this, is it worth spending nearly twice as much for a slightly faster but less comfortable journey? High speed trains excel over middle-distance journeys, too long to comfortably drive but too short for flying to really make sense. Imagine a train that would take you from the San Diego to the centre of San Fransisco in less than 5 hours, running 10+ times per day and costing less than flying. That’s the reality of high speed rail in many countries. Can you really not see a market for it in the USA?
I hate when people argue against mass/public transit by stating the current issue with it. My father in law does this anytime our conversation get to public transit. He tells me about the one time he thought about taking the bus in his extremely small town and the trip would have taken twice as long. It is painful that people think pointing out the problem advocates are trying to solve is somehow and argument against fixing the problem.
Metro rail has its place, particularly in large metropolitan areas. $20 to go from San Diego to Oceanside with AC outlets yet without I-5 traffic is superb. I’m a fan of the WMATA Metro (DC area) as well.
For an inter-city high-speed offering, I’m fairly skeptical. We have Amtrak and compared to air travel it costs just as much yet takes several times as long to move me across the country. It would have to be a high-volume route with a proven market for me to support it.
That’s because American rail transport is fundamentally broken, not because rail in general is broken
Try looking at somewhere that does have high-speed rail, rather than only considering Amtrak’s broken offering.
As an example; consider the journey from Paris to Nice. It’s a 580 mile drive taking ~9 hours, a 1.5 hour flight costing £129 or a 5.5 hour train ride costing £71.
Once you include the hassle and time required for airport security, the gap between the train and plane closes significantly. 1.5 hours flying plus 2 hours at the airport before takeoff and another half hour after landing takes it up to 4 hours already, rather than the train where you can just walk into the station and get on. Then there’s the comfort and facilities on-board. A cramped economy flight Vs a comfortable train with leg room, space to move around, charging plugs, etc.
When you look at it like this, is it worth spending nearly twice as much for a slightly faster but less comfortable journey? High speed trains excel over middle-distance journeys, too long to comfortably drive but too short for flying to really make sense. Imagine a train that would take you from the San Diego to the centre of San Fransisco in less than 5 hours, running 10+ times per day and costing less than flying. That’s the reality of high speed rail in many countries. Can you really not see a market for it in the USA?
6-8 hours is not a pleasant drive from around San Francisco to around Los Angeles
I would take a train
There is no market because passenger rail is inefficient.
Because rail has no market, there’s no incentive to make passenger rail more efficient.
The circle of American transport since the 60s.
I hate when people argue against mass/public transit by stating the current issue with it. My father in law does this anytime our conversation get to public transit. He tells me about the one time he thought about taking the bus in his extremely small town and the trip would have taken twice as long. It is painful that people think pointing out the problem advocates are trying to solve is somehow and argument against fixing the problem.