congestion is far better in an EV than ICE. particulates from tyres and brakes are far worse in hotter engines, EVs use engine braking for 70-80% of all travel.
crash deaths are hardly EV specific.
nor is road damage.
after 15k miles the carbon debt is paid off and you can recycle the battery at end of life.
people need to travel to work.
im all for arguments against EVs but none of these are valid and have been debunked over and over and over again.
I think above point was that EV’s aren’t a cure all just because they run on electric instead of fossil fuels. They still have many of the same problems as regular cars so more should be done to get people on better modes of transport instead (e.g. trains, bikes etc).
you cant say that black is white and ask people to accept the conclusion. Bikes are great for personal travel but for example I carry equipment everywhere all over the country. Its not a solution unless your perspective is that I cant go to work, which is absurd.
Most trips aren’t being taken by people carrying equipment to work. The good thing about promoting alternative methods of travel is that people who really need to drive (like yourself) aren’t hindered by those only driving as it’s the most convenient. Driving in the Netherlands is excellent partly because they have great cycling and public transport infrastructure.
again with the false premise. The vast majority of traffic is business related, not just commuting. Wether someone goes to the park on a bike or not is just a side issue, and not what the original post was about.
According to the National Travel Survey 2021 only 3% of car trips are for business (see chart 10). The vast majority of trips are for leasure/commuting/shopping which can be done via other means.
Most people use the mode of transport most convenient for them, so the trick is to make more effecient modes of transport (i.e. not cars) the most convenient.
This is frustrating for me. Business isn’t just cars, it’s vans, heavy goods and everything else on the road, which all need to be decarbonised. I’m not against bikes, or whatever you’re on about. I’ve done my best here but I can’t keep typing the same thing over and over
@snacks@TheDolphinsWereRight
There’s congestion which is a stuffed up nose, as with hay fever, and there’s congestion which is 21 vehicles on a piece of road with capacity* for 20.
In context of EVs the latter would seem the more obvious to most of us in English.
(*It is more complex than that, of course, but a relative shortage of usable slots between and for vehicles is the essence)
My solar pays off itself by charging my car in only 4 yrs!
My electric ID3 is safer than my previous manual car (Golf). Smart stopping, adjusts to speed limits and cars in front automatically, no roll at all on hill starts, so nice to bring to a stop and go again that I now let so many more people cross / out, acceleration so crazy good that it makes over taking much quicker and easier (critical for where I live), lane detection, sleep protection etc. Generally made me a belter driver, and much more able to focus.
Now I know a lot of that is with modern automatics - but some of it is a pretty uniquely from EV. Not to mention it’s an incredibly fun drive and so responsive.
Bonus - still much better carbon wise than ICE and able to be recycled much better.
Heavier than my Golf? Probably - but weighs less than a ton of SUVs and Range Rovers.
all of this is incorrect or misleading. in order:
congestion is far better in an EV than ICE. particulates from tyres and brakes are far worse in hotter engines, EVs use engine braking for 70-80% of all travel.
crash deaths are hardly EV specific.
nor is road damage.
after 15k miles the carbon debt is paid off and you can recycle the battery at end of life.
people need to travel to work.
im all for arguments against EVs but none of these are valid and have been debunked over and over and over again.
I think above point was that EV’s aren’t a cure all just because they run on electric instead of fossil fuels. They still have many of the same problems as regular cars so more should be done to get people on better modes of transport instead (e.g. trains, bikes etc).
you cant say that black is white and ask people to accept the conclusion. Bikes are great for personal travel but for example I carry equipment everywhere all over the country. Its not a solution unless your perspective is that I cant go to work, which is absurd.
Most trips aren’t being taken by people carrying equipment to work. The good thing about promoting alternative methods of travel is that people who really need to drive (like yourself) aren’t hindered by those only driving as it’s the most convenient. Driving in the Netherlands is excellent partly because they have great cycling and public transport infrastructure.
You might find this video informative from Not Just Bikes about driving in the Netherlands - https://youtu.be/d8RRE2rDw4k?t=2m58s
again with the false premise. The vast majority of traffic is business related, not just commuting. Wether someone goes to the park on a bike or not is just a side issue, and not what the original post was about.
According to the National Travel Survey 2021 only 3% of car trips are for business (see chart 10). The vast majority of trips are for leasure/commuting/shopping which can be done via other means.
Most people use the mode of transport most convenient for them, so the trick is to make more effecient modes of transport (i.e. not cars) the most convenient.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-travel-survey-2021/national-travel-survey-2021-household-car-availability-and-trends-in-car-trips#trends-in-car-trips
This is frustrating for me. Business isn’t just cars, it’s vans, heavy goods and everything else on the road, which all need to be decarbonised. I’m not against bikes, or whatever you’re on about. I’ve done my best here but I can’t keep typing the same thing over and over
I might be missing something but how do EVs help with congestion? Do more people car share with an EV?
are you actually missing something or on a wind up? Congestion is a problem of air quality.
@snacks @TheDolphinsWereRight
There’s congestion which is a stuffed up nose, as with hay fever, and there’s congestion which is 21 vehicles on a piece of road with capacity* for 20.
In context of EVs the latter would seem the more obvious to most of us in English.
(*It is more complex than that, of course, but a relative shortage of usable slots between and for vehicles is the essence)
My solar pays off itself by charging my car in only 4 yrs!
My electric ID3 is safer than my previous manual car (Golf). Smart stopping, adjusts to speed limits and cars in front automatically, no roll at all on hill starts, so nice to bring to a stop and go again that I now let so many more people cross / out, acceleration so crazy good that it makes over taking much quicker and easier (critical for where I live), lane detection, sleep protection etc. Generally made me a belter driver, and much more able to focus.
Now I know a lot of that is with modern automatics - but some of it is a pretty uniquely from EV. Not to mention it’s an incredibly fun drive and so responsive.
Bonus - still much better carbon wise than ICE and able to be recycled much better.
Heavier than my Golf? Probably - but weighs less than a ton of SUVs and Range Rovers.