Utah is self reffered to as the Beehive State because Brigham Young originally wanted to name it “Deseret” from the Book of Mormon. “Deseret” in LDS teachings means “Honeybee”. This was meant to show that the Mormon settlers were hardworking, industrious, and self reliant.
This obviously didn’t fly for a ton of reasons and they didn’t have much of a choice after the Union Army basically chased them halfway across the country and then took a foothold right alongside them in the territory to make sure they didn’t establish a Theocratic state.
Except Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Kansas. But other than that what have the Romans ever done for us?
All highly religious states yet, none that are truly theocratic states. They all follow article 6 of the constitution and try their best to tailor their laws to subvert it. Ultimately the federation wins.
Doesn’t article 6 of the constitution at least allude to a separation of church and state?
Sure. But it doesn’t preclude candidates from announcing their religious affiliation and voters selecting them accordingly.
I don’t think the rest of the federation would approve of a theocratic state.
Not a Mormon theocratic state (which is one big reason why Romney underperformed Bush and Trump among Evangelicals). But there’s a sizable portion of the population that would like their flavor of religion as de facto law of the land. And quite a few who assert it already is, and its just a matter of an Executive/Judiciary action to make it a reality.
Idk, man. “Thou Shall Not Kill” is one of those religious tenants I wish we’d be more zealous about enforcing rather than less.
The endless hair-pulling contradiction of religious-themed governments is in how the patriarchs and high priests seem to believe they are exempt from God’s Law because of their standing in the secular church. Whether you’re Ayatollah Khomeini or House Speaker Mike Johnson, your religiousity serves more as an excuse to do wicked things with God’s blessing than to do good things within God’s stricture.
Yeah, but at the same time there are religious principles that shouldn’t be law.
If someone feels closer to God because they don’t have sex before marriage or because they don’t eat pork then that’s great. Self-sacrifice can be very spiritually rewarding for some.
But making that sacrifice mandatory is not only senseless, but robs them of the spiritual fulfillment. Choosing to make a sacrifice is only rewarding when you have the option not to.
Ether 2:3
And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee; and thus they did carry with them swarms of bees, and all manner of that which was upon the face of the land, seeds of every kind.
Since you haven’t received a serious answer yet…
Utah is self reffered to as the Beehive State because Brigham Young originally wanted to name it “Deseret” from the Book of Mormon. “Deseret” in LDS teachings means “Honeybee”. This was meant to show that the Mormon settlers were hardworking, industrious, and self reliant.
This obviously didn’t fly for a ton of reasons and they didn’t have much of a choice after the Union Army basically chased them halfway across the country and then took a foothold right alongside them in the territory to make sure they didn’t establish a Theocratic state.
Another Big L for the US military
US military v theocratic state in the desert, name a more iconic duo.
US Military collaborating with a theocratic state in the desert?
Wait, you support a theocratic state?
Have you been to Utah? It is a theocracy.
I must visit this Utah.
As a resident of Utah, I fucking better if I’m running for an elected office
Doesn’t article 6 of the constitution atleast allude to a separation of church and state?
I don’t think the rest of the federation would approve of a theocratic state.
Except Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Kansas. But other than that what have the Romans ever done for us?
All highly religious states yet, none that are truly theocratic states. They all follow article 6 of the constitution and try their best to tailor their laws to subvert it. Ultimately the federation wins.
Sure. But it doesn’t preclude candidates from announcing their religious affiliation and voters selecting them accordingly.
Not a Mormon theocratic state (which is one big reason why Romney underperformed Bush and Trump among Evangelicals). But there’s a sizable portion of the population that would like their flavor of religion as de facto law of the land. And quite a few who assert it already is, and its just a matter of an Executive/Judiciary action to make it a reality.
Which I simply don’t understand.
I’m religious, but if following the tenants of my faith were law, I would no longer be choosing to practice my faith.
Idk, man. “Thou Shall Not Kill” is one of those religious tenants I wish we’d be more zealous about enforcing rather than less.
The endless hair-pulling contradiction of religious-themed governments is in how the patriarchs and high priests seem to believe they are exempt from God’s Law because of their standing in the secular church. Whether you’re Ayatollah Khomeini or House Speaker Mike Johnson, your religiousity serves more as an excuse to do wicked things with God’s blessing than to do good things within God’s stricture.
Yeah, but at the same time there are religious principles that shouldn’t be law.
If someone feels closer to God because they don’t have sex before marriage or because they don’t eat pork then that’s great. Self-sacrifice can be very spiritually rewarding for some.
But making that sacrifice mandatory is not only senseless, but robs them of the spiritual fulfillment. Choosing to make a sacrifice is only rewarding when you have the option not to.
Hate to break it to you, but one of the two major political parties in this country is.
The US (and western civilization) has been a theocratic state for a long time, it simply hides in plain sight as scientism or materialism.
Wait it’s actually to do with Mormonism? Wild
Wow never was going to figure that out by looking at it.
Ether 2:3 And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee; and thus they did carry with them swarms of bees, and all manner of that which was upon the face of the land, seeds of every kind.