Biden’s numbers among young voters have slid during his presidency from the high margins that helped him beat Trump. Several former supporters explain why.
Of all the Democratic politicians you could raise this complaint about pretty legitimately, Biden’s not one. This is a pretty good overview of the substantive things he’s done. Obama did a better job of branding his accomplishments, but Biden hasn’t been just fucking off doing nothing.
I don’t care if you think not voting for Biden is voting for facism.
I don’t care if you don’t care. Not voting for Biden is making it more likely that Trump wins, which is, quite literally, fascism. That remains true even if you don’t like it.
Voting for Biden is a vote for right of center neoliberal politicians who takes legal bribes from corporations.
Accurate yes. It’s a goddamned shame, I 100% agree. Letting democracy collapse in the US completely won’t help though. Right? On that we can agree? Maybe not.
Along the same lines, fielding Biden knowing that he is polling quite low against Trump is making it more likely that Trump wins. There are 49 million registered Democrats. There are almost certainly qualified, principled, charismatic people in that group that would both energize the core and appeal to progressives, independents, and swing voters.
If the Democrats’ stubborn pride allows a Trump victory, then we should lay the responsibility at the feet of those who were best positioned to provide a viable candidate who could win.
I mean, I do kind of agree with you. Biden’s old and a sort of “acceptable centrist” candidate. I miss Bernie. I’m still voting for Biden, because Trump is the end of the goddamned world.
He’s polling neck and neck with Trump, some polls have him trailing in key states. It’s early, granted, but his support of Israel’s approach to Palestine suggests that many progressives are at best uncomfortable with him.
Primaries are still coming up, no? Why not push for someone better? You still end up in the same place if you’re unsuccessful.
The Democrats have a pretty good process going of pushing out any non-pro-establishment candidates, which leaves the field pretty much full of wet towels. Biden is above the average by quite a bit among the wet towels, in my opinion. Who do you see who could replace him? I’m genuinely asking.
I’m registered independent so I don’t get a say. I can dig into the options, but last time I might have been onboard with Yang; he seemed sincere. Sanders, though he has issues, would have been a much better choice as well.
If the party elite are blocking meaningful representation within, that’s a problem.
Yeah. Sanders was the most popular politician in America for years after the election. Don’t get me started about it lol. If the argument is “we need someone who’s a realistic candidate in the general election,” they had that on a silver platter, and they stabbed him in the back and threw him in the trash.
If the party elite are blocking meaningful representation within, that’s a problem.
It is, in fact, a massive problem. Let’s keep all the candidates down who people actually like, because the stuff everyone likes tends to be not the favorite thing of all our rich friends. Oh no! Why are we unpopular. Don’t people know we’re better than the Republicans?
Fuckin assholes. I mean, they are better than the Republicans, but ass cancer is better than the Republicans.
And that’s the problem I have. If the DNC is willing to suppress their own members, why should I encourage that behavior by doing as I"m told because they’re too blind or too arrogant to listen? Trump is the worst. But he’s a product of a broken system that democrats are all too happy to perpetuate.
If Trump wins, I blame his fascist followers. But I would be lying if I said that I didn’t also blame the DNC for colluding with the GOP in the first place.
Yeah. If someone told me that they were working in politics to try to get a non-shitty bunch of people in charge (in or out of the Democratic party) I’d applaud the hell out of it. I was registered as Libertarian or Green Party for basically all my young adult life. If someone’s not doing that, though, and also not voting for the Democrats, then I would blame that person too if Trump wins (in addition to the fascists and the DNC).
I feel like people from countries where they just recently got free elections can explain this better. I see all this conversation (entitlement? propaganda? cluelessness? The OP article is definitely in the “propaganda” category) from people who are talking about how not liking something Biden did, translates into deciding not to vote for Biden. To someone coming from some situation where voting is connected to your survival and safety, as opposed to the modern-day US where it’s more like a fashion statement, that seems like just pure careless idiocy.
And, as far as the 2024 election, it is connected to your survival. Usually in the US it’s not. This time it is.
Of all the Democratic politicians you could raise this complaint about pretty legitimately, Biden’s not one. This is a pretty good overview of the substantive things he’s done. Obama did a better job of branding his accomplishments, but Biden hasn’t been just fucking off doing nothing.
I don’t care if you don’t care. Not voting for Biden is making it more likely that Trump wins, which is, quite literally, fascism. That remains true even if you don’t like it.
Accurate yes. It’s a goddamned shame, I 100% agree. Letting democracy collapse in the US completely won’t help though. Right? On that we can agree? Maybe not.
Along the same lines, fielding Biden knowing that he is polling quite low against Trump is making it more likely that Trump wins. There are 49 million registered Democrats. There are almost certainly qualified, principled, charismatic people in that group that would both energize the core and appeal to progressives, independents, and swing voters.
If the Democrats’ stubborn pride allows a Trump victory, then we should lay the responsibility at the feet of those who were best positioned to provide a viable candidate who could win.
What’s your percentage definition of “quite low”?
I mean, I do kind of agree with you. Biden’s old and a sort of “acceptable centrist” candidate. I miss Bernie. I’m still voting for Biden, because Trump is the end of the goddamned world.
He’s polling neck and neck with Trump, some polls have him trailing in key states. It’s early, granted, but his support of Israel’s approach to Palestine suggests that many progressives are at best uncomfortable with him.
Primaries are still coming up, no? Why not push for someone better? You still end up in the same place if you’re unsuccessful.
Yeah. Which is nuts when you think about it.
Who would you push for instead of Biden?
The Democrats have a pretty good process going of pushing out any non-pro-establishment candidates, which leaves the field pretty much full of wet towels. Biden is above the average by quite a bit among the wet towels, in my opinion. Who do you see who could replace him? I’m genuinely asking.
Because of electoral college dems need 55% to barely eek by with a win
I’m registered independent so I don’t get a say. I can dig into the options, but last time I might have been onboard with Yang; he seemed sincere. Sanders, though he has issues, would have been a much better choice as well.
If the party elite are blocking meaningful representation within, that’s a problem.
Yeah. Sanders was the most popular politician in America for years after the election. Don’t get me started about it lol. If the argument is “we need someone who’s a realistic candidate in the general election,” they had that on a silver platter, and they stabbed him in the back and threw him in the trash.
It is, in fact, a massive problem. Let’s keep all the candidates down who people actually like, because the stuff everyone likes tends to be not the favorite thing of all our rich friends. Oh no! Why are we unpopular. Don’t people know we’re better than the Republicans?
Fuckin assholes. I mean, they are better than the Republicans, but ass cancer is better than the Republicans.
And that’s the problem I have. If the DNC is willing to suppress their own members, why should I encourage that behavior by doing as I"m told because they’re too blind or too arrogant to listen? Trump is the worst. But he’s a product of a broken system that democrats are all too happy to perpetuate.
If Trump wins, I blame his fascist followers. But I would be lying if I said that I didn’t also blame the DNC for colluding with the GOP in the first place.
Yeah. If someone told me that they were working in politics to try to get a non-shitty bunch of people in charge (in or out of the Democratic party) I’d applaud the hell out of it. I was registered as Libertarian or Green Party for basically all my young adult life. If someone’s not doing that, though, and also not voting for the Democrats, then I would blame that person too if Trump wins (in addition to the fascists and the DNC).
I’m old enough to remember when “young people” weren’t going to vote for Obama’s second term because of “drone strikes”.
Voting is a chess move, not a love letter.
Bernie or Bust comes to mind too…
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
I feel like people from countries where they just recently got free elections can explain this better. I see all this conversation (entitlement? propaganda? cluelessness? The OP article is definitely in the “propaganda” category) from people who are talking about how not liking something Biden did, translates into deciding not to vote for Biden. To someone coming from some situation where voting is connected to your survival and safety, as opposed to the modern-day US where it’s more like a fashion statement, that seems like just pure careless idiocy.
And, as far as the 2024 election, it is connected to your survival. Usually in the US it’s not. This time it is.
There is a reason that pollsters ask you how you “feel” about a candidate & not who you’re voting for. Can’t spin the latter.
I hear you on the branding point. He has done a terrible job letting people know about the minuscule things he actually has accomplished.
But he has no backbone
What, to you, would be not “miniscule”? I linked a source listing concrete things he’s done in more detail than I really want to retype out here.