I’ve seen a few (not many) people online fawn over how Khaled bin AlWaleed converted to veganism, and even got his dad to do the same. There’s also talk that he plans to open a chain of plant-based restaurants throughout the Arab world.

I’m curious to hear what people think about such figures. This guy is directly descended from the founder of Saudi Arabia – on both his parents’ sides. He’s part of a family that’s brought an entire country – Yemen – on the brink of death, with 2+ million people at risk of dying from hunger. Not to mention he’s part of one of the most brutal, draconian regimes anywhere in the world.

The same goes for places like, say, Tel Aviv, hailed as the “vegan capital of the world”. Is that what we really want to talk about, and not the hideous apartheid regime erected by Israel in the West Bank and Gaza? Gaza, for example, is an open-air prison, where people are left to die, with no access to even drinking water.

And yet we find popular YouTubers celebrating both AlWaleed (who flew in Dr Michael Greger to Saudi Arabia just for a consult) and Tel Aviv as bastions of veganism.

I’ve heard the argument that neither the restaurants in Tel Aviv nor Prince AlWaleed are personally liable for their government’s crimes. I don’t really buy this. I mean I somewhat understand it re-Tel Aviv, but someone like AlWaleed is literally part of the government. He has plenty of power and privilege to relinquish ties with his family and use his newfound platform to bring attention to the hideous regime in Saudi Arabia. But as far as I can tell, he hasn’t said a single thing about Yemen (not to mention Khashoggi, Saudi-Israel ties etc).

In my opinion, in these contexts, veganism effectively serves as a way to whitewash serious crimes that are far worse than the animal lives these individuals/groups are potentially saving. But I’m curious to hear what people think.

  • @Kerfuffle@sh.itjust.works
    4•1 year ago

    This guy is directly descended from the founder of Saudi Arabia – on both his parents’ sides. He’s part of a family that’s brought an entire country – Yemen – on the brink of death

    How could it possibly be reasonable to judge a person based on their lineage?

    Not to mention he’s part of one of the most brutal, draconian regimes anywhere in the world.

    What does “part of” mean here? He’s setting/enabling those policies personally?

    He has plenty of power and privilege to relinquish ties with his family and use his newfound platform to bring attention to the hideous regime in Saudi Arabia.

    It’s pretty common for people to get involved in just one cause. I live in America but I’m not spending a lot of time speaking out about treatment of Native Americans even though as an average American I’ve benefited from stuff like their land being taken away. Maybe he, I, we all should do more of that kind of thing but just the fact that we aren’t actively and vocally speaking out about it doesn’t mean we’re responsible for it or endorsing it.

    So far, none of your criticism seemed to be about anything the guy did personally. I’m not familiar with him, maybe he’s actually a terrible person. If you’re going to criticize or condemn him, you should pick something he actually did rather than who his parents are or the fact that he was born into some kind of position of privilege.