Some rich doof will think “workers are just workers, they don’t deserve the same consideration educated people do”. How would you argue against this logic? Because it’s humans? But humans are also animals, how can we arbitrarily exclude ourselves from that group?
Are you really trying to say theres no difference between a human and an animal?
Im smart enough to understand that humans are to be treated in a way, animals are just animals.
If some idiot thinks that there are “levels” in humanity because of characteristics they cant control or are precluder to somebody because of socieconomics factors above him, ill be sure to punch him.
No, they’re trying to make you tell us what the moral difference is between humans and animals. YOU’RE the one saying they are not the same. We are asking, why? “Because I’m smart” is not an answer. If you can convince yourself that an individual with obvious interests, desires, and emotions is not even in the same moral category as a human that you like, you can EASILY convince yourself that any human being with interests, desires and emotions is ALSO not in the same moral category. This isn’t a hypothetical, this is something people do every day. So we’ll accept that humans all have the same moral worth, but you still have to explain why animals have so little moral worth, that they way they taste is more important than their lives.
No such difference that warrants the treatment we give them. Sure, they can’t read, they don’t speak a sophisticated language etc. How does that influence their capability to feel pain? Boredom? Fear? Isolation? Saying “animals are just animals” really makes me wonder, what do you think makes us so different that we don’t deserve to be subjugated to physical and mental torture?
I’m out here arguing that the pain and suffering that a human would feel from being abused like an animal is no different from the pain livestock animals feel from the way we treat them. What you are trying to say is that because animals cannot read, speak or enjoy theatre, their cries of pain can be ignored.
Some rich doof will think “workers are just workers, they don’t deserve the same consideration educated people do”. How would you argue against this logic? Because it’s humans? But humans are also animals, how can we arbitrarily exclude ourselves from that group?
Are you really trying to say theres no difference between a human and an animal?
Im smart enough to understand that humans are to be treated in a way, animals are just animals. If some idiot thinks that there are “levels” in humanity because of characteristics they cant control or are precluder to somebody because of socieconomics factors above him, ill be sure to punch him.
No, they’re trying to make you tell us what the moral difference is between humans and animals. YOU’RE the one saying they are not the same. We are asking, why? “Because I’m smart” is not an answer. If you can convince yourself that an individual with obvious interests, desires, and emotions is not even in the same moral category as a human that you like, you can EASILY convince yourself that any human being with interests, desires and emotions is ALSO not in the same moral category. This isn’t a hypothetical, this is something people do every day. So we’ll accept that humans all have the same moral worth, but you still have to explain why animals have so little moral worth, that they way they taste is more important than their lives.
No such difference that warrants the treatment we give them. Sure, they can’t read, they don’t speak a sophisticated language etc. How does that influence their capability to feel pain? Boredom? Fear? Isolation? Saying “animals are just animals” really makes me wonder, what do you think makes us so different that we don’t deserve to be subjugated to physical and mental torture?
“I don’t know the difference between a human being and a cow” isn’t the flex you believe it is
Don’t know where I said that, so good flex on your deduction skills.
Are you telling me you’re not out there arguing there’s no difference between livestock and human beings?
I’m out here arguing that the pain and suffering that a human would feel from being abused like an animal is no different from the pain livestock animals feel from the way we treat them. What you are trying to say is that because animals cannot read, speak or enjoy theatre, their cries of pain can be ignored.
That’s not what you are arguing though. There’s multiple posts from you in there where you say there’s no difference between humans and livestock.
I agree we should not inflict unnecessary pain on animals, which is why I only acquire meat from local ethical farms.
I made the argument that humans are animals, not that all animals are exactly alike. But maybe I need to hone my phrasing.