Welcome to Tuta! 😍
    • LesserAbe@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      1 year ago

      Yeah, tuta isn’t amazing, but definitely better than tutanota just for length and verbally giving someone else the address.

  • cheese_greater@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12·
    1 year ago

    I really wanna support these folks but I’m also curious about the recent headlines with Cameron Ortis (Canada’s own selfish version of Snowden who deserves a damn Peace Prize for reals) referencing these.

    Also, I think people need to learn there is nothing “private” about email beyond not scanning which is like paying for a not-service (like don’t fuck me over). Hell, its hard enough to work up the courage and stamina to vanishing-messages-set someone adversarial who desperately needs you to make and ebforce that decision upon them as a baseline for engaging with them at all.

    I will pay $1/month for email company to not be an asshole but that’s the extent of my patience with the notion and I have zero illusions about what is likely still happening on some level.

    Edit: Snowden deserves reward, not Ortis.

    Edit: whats the timeline/continuity in terms of Ortis’ mention and Tutanota rebranding to Tuta

      • Ginko@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        5·
        1 year ago

        Proton lost me when I found out you can’t receive notifications from their app on a de-googled phone. Their app requires Google services for notifications. Since then I’ve moved to Tuta and am very happy with the service and notifications work. I mean how hard is it to set up a new email check every half hour in the app. What’s the point of private email when you have to run it on a spyware (Google) infested phone.

      • LesserAbe@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        Can you share more about why you think Proton’s approach is better than Tuta?

        From a casual read through they both appear to use end to end encryption when users are on the same service. (Proton emailing Proton or Tuta emailing Tuta) and both offer the option to password encrypt an email so you can message someone on other services as long as you can share that password with them IRL somehow.

        • iturnedintoanewt@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          The biggest difference would be the theoretical claim that proton can’t know anything about your emails because the mailbox itself is encrypted. The calendar too. This also means these accounts aren’t compatible with any IMAP/POP3/Activesync clients, and you need to install your own proton plugin to use it with them. On the desktop. On the phones they have their own apps, since you can’t use the phone email app nor the phone calendar. They are a bit lacking there too. Regarding the mailbox theoretical encryption claim, I’m sure it’s really encrypting everything. It’s just, email is inherently unencrypted (unless it’s proton to proton) as it travels along the servers, unless you go to several pains to encrypt it, and your destinatary too, to decrypt it on their end. So for most purposes, right now the main difference between these two doesn’t seem all that useful and it continues to be relatively simple to intercept/read your email along the way, since most likely it won’t be encrypted anyway.

          • lud@lemm.eeEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Proton supports openPGP natively in its apps which is neat so encrypted emails are easier but you can use openPGP with k9 and Thunderbird too.

            Unfortunately openPGP is very rarely used by anyone.

            • iturnedintoanewt@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              Unfortunately openPGP is very rarely used by anyone.

              My point exactly. What’s the point of having an encrypted mailbox if everything that arrives to it is unencrypted and easily intercepted?

        • Swim@lemmy.caEnglish
          2·
          1 year ago

          Along with what has already been said, for the same package deal they offer an email, a vpn, a password manager, drive, and alot more space than the competition (500gig).

          they include services such as proton sentinel.

          https://proton.me/blog/sentinel-high-security-program

          and secure core

          https://protonvpn.com/support/secure-core-vpn/

          one of the few still allowing port forwarding

          https://protonvpn.com/support/port-forwarding/

          how to use them in high risk countries

          https://protonvpn.com/blog/vpn-servers-high-risk-countries/

          development over the years and their dedication to bringing privacy, security, freedom of information to the masses speaks for itself.

          Encrypt the planet

    • LesserAbe@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      1 year ago

      I wasn’t familiar with the headlines you’re referring to so took a look, here is one story from the CBC. And here is Tuta’s post responding to the allegation.

      Besides knowing the name I was not super familiar with Tuta, but it appears their source code is publicly available for review for any backdoor (and that Cameron Ortis doesn’t seem trustworthy or even especially knowledgeable).

      • cheese_greater@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        That’s my instinct, but its good free publicity I think. The worst thing is not being talked about, maybe there’s some truth to that

  • sederx@programming.devEnglish
    16·
    1 year ago

    Yeah fuck these people you can’t even open a free account anymore what a joke

    • Kayn@dormi.zoneEnglish
      141·
      1 year ago

      Just because you don’t care doesn’t mean nobody does.

      • lolcatnip@reddthat.comEnglish
        52·
        1 year ago

        Something in the post should at least attempt to explain what Tuta is rather than just announcing a new name for something hardly anyone has ever heard of.

    • Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social
      7·
      1 year ago

      To tuta users, I guess.

      I wouldn’t use it, they lost my trust when they suddenly started deleting free accounts a bit inactive, requiring a paid account to restore them.

        • Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social
          3·
          1 year ago

          The point is not whether it’s shady, but to trust (at one’s discretion) that they will meet minimum expectations. I would expect a change with such absolutely dramatic consequences to be notified in advance and give users plenty of leeway; the opposite seems like a red flag to me, especially when they had no urgency about it.

            • Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social
              1·
              1 year ago

              It’s good that they are now more serious about informing their users, but the first time they did it they were very discreet, not even a mention on their blog. A very unpleasant surprise.

              A 6 month window is too short, and applies indiscriminately even to accounts that only use a few bytes. They could just delete the content and deactivate them… well, actually that’s what they do, but they demand money to reactivate them ._.