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This is the one thing I don’t get, the people who look up to him the most are disgusted by “The Liberal Elite”
I’m like “He’s a New York Real Estate Mogul who refuses to pay contractors and spends the savings on overdone steaks to dip in ketchup, bro IS the Liberal Elite!”
The weren’t told what liberalism was, they were just told it’s their enemy. Now they just conflate it with Democrats even though most of everyone in America is liberal.
I don’t think liberal really means what you think it means in the context you said it.
He’s an East Coast wealthy New York elitist. But liberal? He’s racist, misogynist, authoritarian, tax-dodging, etc. I don’t see much anything liberal about him.
I remember some farmer-looking MAGA schmuck saying he was sure Trump would be happy to sit down and have a beer with him and treat him like an equal.
Yeah and im sure ill be named the pope next year. These people are so fuckin’ delulu
Play your cards right and you might become pope sooner than you think.
Unfortunately I’m not a contender in that pool. I have not molested enough(any) children. Which also precludes me from holding the oval office.
Have you considered living in a cave, hearing about a mess of a new pope election, and telling them that God told you in a dream that they better hurry up? Because that’s how Celestine V got the job.
He was also really bad at it, knew he was bad at it, and resigned in 5 months.
Be the change you want to see, my friend!
(but please don’t molest any children)
That’s going to be the case for any capitalist party. Only a worker’s party will associate with workers.
I have a lot of criticism for the Dems, but I’ve also worked with them at several levels. A huge portion of the party is former or current blue collar. I think a lot of people see what they want to see. It’s easy to think of the party as evil corpo shills, but the problem really is that the corpo shills rise to the top, not that they are as prevalent as people think they are. Money puts people in the executive.
That is the problem, and it’s a pretty huge problem.
I don’t understand your position. If the party is being run by evil corpo shills, that makes it an evil corpo shill party?
If you want to run for president, governor, or mayor those positions attract enough money to effectively remove authenticity from the race. If you have 4 Dems in the primary and 1 of them is a business dem, that’s the one most likely to have enormous capital shifted to. Which creates the conditions for their future victory. Our system of government and economic system are both infinitely corruptible irrespective of party.
I don’t care if there are workers serving in a capitalist party. They’re class traitors. Capitalism is inherently anti-worker.
It’s entirely dishonest to pretend the Democrats haven’t had large factions in their party entirely worker based. The largest support system for the party has historically been labor unions. Talking about class traitors, imaging having perfect be the enemy of good and refusing to improve what we have towards a better system. Accelerationism is not a solution.
This isn’t a case of “the perfect being the enemy of the good.” This is expecting us to ally with one enemy because they’ve convinced us the other will hurt us more.
Again, working class people existing within the Democratic Party gives them absolutely no forgiveness for serving the wants of billionaires ahead of the needs of the people.
I worked with and encountered many politicians in the past and maybe 1 in 10 Dems was “pro” corporate that I encountered. The problem is that the 1 in 10 are enough to slow progress to a crawl. Just assuming that all Dems are beholden to billionaires is silly.
Many of those running for office are using the only left wing mechanism available. Left wing people are all over the party in state and federal governments. If we want our government to move left, we need the Dems to move left.
You move them left by becoming the party and forcing them further left, imo. The party is a sum of it’s people, if the members become more left wing, then the party will. See what Trump did to the Republicans, half the party despised him, they feed his agenda because without him their party ends. The left wing could do the same if they didn’t see giving up as a viable strategy…
I’ve heard this song since the 1970s, and it’s not a golden oldie. It’s futility, working from inside to change a beast that’s determined to out-Republican the Republicans.
Burn it all down.
Accelerationism and violent revolution rarely provide the outcome people are looking for. It just creates a power vacuum that powerful people fill. The idea that we can just break it and start over is a fantasy. If we break it, people like Peter Theil get their wildest dreams of corporate city states, or someone else gets their slavery and genocide. Bernie Sanders and AOC are not going to be starting the new government.
That sounds great! Where do we get one of those?
I like PSL.
That’s the beauty of conservative hierarchies: everyone is conditioned to be exploited and eager to be so.
The same conditioned submission to authority is what keeps people voting blue no matter who despite rampant insider trading by DNC leadership. Those rich assholes are just as disgusted by their equally gullible supporters.
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I used to think American politics was Republicans shitting the bed and complaining it takes Democrats too long to wash the sheets. However, I’ve grown old enough to see it’s just been Democrats normalizing shitting the bed so you’ll accept ever dirtier sheets
If you think I’m wrong you should watch Obama sprint right while executing American citizens without due process and saying we weren’t ready for gay equality.
Then further take note how an independent third party rated Hillary -right- of Trump just less authoritarian.
https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2008 https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2016 https://politicalcompass.org/uselection2020
What keeps people voting blue is a basic understanding of how our first past the post voting system works. You’re ALWAYS picking the lesser of two evils. It has nothing to do with authority.
In short, a basic understanding is really the problem all around.
Most people rely on specious reasoning without understanding how things actually work.
Everyone knows and accepts shit is corrupt, but it’s always someone else’s fault or an accident.
I was told all my life there were checks and balances. In reality, extremist evangelical groups have been stacking the ranks with people that actually want to accelerate the end of times.
Reality is reality complex. Most people lack the ability even given the information to understand all the moving pieces.
Civilization requires putting blind trust in others which is a dangerous gamble when you understand psychopaths are massively over represented in positions of power vs general society.
The goal of the machine isn’t improving society or the world. It’s extracting every ounce of value from you it can to hand to the rich that already have everything.
We have nothing left but violence.
Most people rely on specious reasoning without understanding how things actually work.
This should be the national motto of Earth.
Okay, then why are you here? If the only answer is violence, why aren’t you out there? Is it because that’s not the only answer, or because you don’t want to fix the problem?
Until you violent overthrow everything people actually do something, the rest of us in reality are going to vote for the least worst candidate.
One person can only do so much violence against such a huge and powerful system, it would take organized violence with lots of participants to accomplish anything. And if that person was doing such a thing they certainly wouldn’t tell you about it.
What do you think Luigi was doing?
Why do you think they cracked down on him in such a spectacle? There was a fella that shot up a church and the prep walk was a single gangly ginger but every badge in the county was there to walk Luigi. The trial is still on going and yet Netflix has a “documentary” espousing his guilt with information his defense learned about ONLY FROM WATCHING SAID DOCUMENTARY.
One person lashing out isn’t enough. And believe me, as much as I’d love to, indiscriminate violence isn’t the objective and even if I had access to a target my daughter and disabled partner actively need me. Believe me, I’d rather be dead than watch y’all mash on the buttons like you think the controller is plugged in but people need me.
So I try to at least get you to ask why none of your buttons work hoping you’ll eventually notice the game is playing you.
I’ve been an engineer for decades and the first step in fixing something -properly- is to identify the root cause of the issue. Painting the crack in the sheet rock doesn’t address the shifting foundation.
Everything “left” in the United States is still right of center politically. AOC and Sanders are centrists in a global sense at best.
Killing a billionaire is cool and all, but the assets just go to next of kin and the system chugs on.
Liberalism is the slow road to fascism because it will always defer to capitalism over democracy but definition. Liberalism comes laissez-faire thinking which funny enough includes conservatives.
The underlying root assumption has become everything should be about profit, period. Liberals aren’t raising taxes because their campaign contributions come from corporations- the only people that matter thanks to Scotus.
Democrats couldn’t secure roe v Wade in 50 years regardless of how large their advantage. Inversely, regardless of how small the Republican advantage or minority, they always get their way.
Either voting works and this is the system it got us or it never mattered and we were led here.
If you think what Trump is saying about just taking Greenland is ridiculous you need to look into how it’s exactly how the US acquired Hawaii.
The US has been at war the entirety of its existence save like 10 sporadic years. We are an imperialist war machine and the reason you don’t believe that is a lifetime of exposure to textbooks and news programming owned by an ever concentrated collective of VERY conservative hands.
You can’t be liberal for capitalism but against fascism and colonial imperialism because they’re the same thing with new paint. Both require extracting profit and resources for the benefit of private shareholders. The largest difference between the two is how far you are from the exploitation.
But also not sure where I advocated against voting before you chimed in assuming as much.
This is right on.
Can I get a tldr? Some of us have things going on…
Americans are dumb and have no attention span.
That’s a pretty concise tldr.
That doesn’t really refute my point then.
Damage mitigation voting is a necessary but not sufficient requirement for progress.
Ranting about violence online is masturbatory.
Nah, not me. I’m a mighty slow learner, but decades of voting for the least worst candidate have given us 2025 and fascist America. I’m skeptical that elections will even be allowed, but if they are, I’ll vote for a candidate worth voting for, or I won’t vote.
So you don’t think the current results could be worse?
Things will be worse tomorrow, worse still the day after.
If you think the situation could have been worse today if history had gone differently, than you do understand damage mitigation voting.
It has everything to do with authority. You’re electing the lesser evil to have authority over you.
You’re proving my point because even defending them you still call them evil. 🫠
I’m not sure I understand. They have authority because that’s their job. But we don’t respect our admire them for it. So what’s your point exactly?
People are down voting you because your point isn’t clear, not because they disagree.
It’s like you can’t consider not being subjugated.
And by not voting, we remove the subjugation? No. Thr subjugation can only be removed through violence. Unless you’re willing to be violent, then choosing the less bad subjugator is the best we get.
Christ. If you really want to understand the problem you have to realize both our political and economic systems are inherently violent and to what end.
I get it. You want the system to work. I do to.
Before the election, both Dump and Husk were saying they’d be in jail if they lost, talking about rigged elections, and election day surprises.
If you think voting will matter going forward you’re delusional because this election was already stolen.
https://www.kkoh.com/2025/01/21/nv-sos-launches-investigations-into-election-fraud/
https://electiontruthalliance.org/clark-county%2C-nv
This was the first election in decades that there wasn’t a Democrat lawsuit anywhere. Everyone signed off on everything despite years of known issues with voting machine security issues, foreign interference, Trump being an ineligible felon, scotus giving him basic immunity.
The executive controls the cops that arrest people. Even pretending a judge would issue a warrant for his arrest… Who’s going to execute it?
The system has been caging you in with full support of the insider trading DNC backed by the same billionaires that back the GOP and own the media telling you how to feel about what they let you know is happening.
You won’t understand, but liberals are fascists with a cleaner image.
Look into Fair Phone. They tried to make a phone free of child slavery and human exploitation and found it couldn’t be done.
Every bleeding heart compassionate liberal has at least one phone/iPad/laptop/etc. All of them -all of us- benefitting from the exploitation of people we’ll never have to look in the eye as they die from heavy metal poisoning.
It’s easy to say it’s not your fault because whatever, but it’s all our fault and our collective denial oppresses us all.
The US was built off colonial imperialism and the bodies of a million slaves. A small group of rich benefitting while a large group of poor work to death.
It was the same in antiquity. It is the same in capitalism.
Capitalism has an intrinsic need to undermine democracy to the point the two are basically mutually exclusive.
Democracy is a system wherein everyone should have equal ownership of society. Capitalism is a system wherein the rich have largely exclusive control of the means of production.
Society cannot function without a means of production and thus democracy is subjugated in favor of lower wages and greater profits.
Educated workers want wages and protections. So the schools are sabotaged in favor of teaching standardized testing in favor of critical thinking. Pass the dummies because they don’t want smart workers. Private schools only the rich can afford will make the thinkers.
Liberals will make a thousand sensible, small sacrifices to appease capitalists until there’s nothing left to sacrifice and corporations own the country.
Voting will do little and violence will become the only option.
They suppress wages. They inflate the cost of goods. They drive small competitors out of business and buy them up, crush unions, pocket every nickel they can cut until people can’t make ends meet and righteously lash out.
Ever the self victimizing dramatists, fascists will back you into a corner and when you push past them, cry foul and crack down with the full might of every law they can make up.
I agree with your overall comment but this reeks of “you participate in capitalism therefore you have no right to criticize” nonsense
Every bleeding heart compassionate liberal has at least one phone/iPad/laptop/etc. All of them -all of us- benefitting from the exploitation of people we’ll never have to look in the eye as they die from heavy metal poisoning.
Capitalism is coercive by design. It’s almost impossible to function without a smart phone let alone a cellphone these days.
You legally have to wear clothes when you’re outside (except VT). Nearly all clothes are produced in sweatshops with slave labor like conditions.
You have to eat. Nearly all food is harvested by exploited or worse workers.
That farm equipment and fertilizer? Crude oil says hello. Oh what’s that? We need cheap oil? Time for another forever war in the Middle East to “spread democracy” aka steal national wealth and assets.
A lifetime of neoliberalism and anti left propaganda will do that
It’s so ironic too. You’d think if socialism was so incompetent the US wouldn’t need to rant and scream and throw embargos everywhere.
It should just kinda putter out on its own, right?
But we can’t talk about that because we’re busy sane washing Saudis wood chippering journalists and liberating RedWhiteAndBlueLand from its Danish oppressors.
Socialism has been the only thing to give the US a run for its money.
Anarchy is wholly inadequate for the scale of the human population. Furthermore, we can’t just transition to a classless, stateless society overnight. That shit has to take root across multiple generations of buy-in.
Agreed, but people not justifying the subjugation when they finally notice it would be nice though.
It’s a shame you’re being downvoted for this. The democrats are controlled opposition clowns and their supporters are essentially being swindled by Nigerian princes in an e-mail scam aimed at seniors who wouldn’t know better. It’s fucking painful to watch.
But if you send Hakeem Jeffries $20 right now, he’ll eagerly reach across the aisle to do whatever the Heritage Foundation wants while belaboring all the noisy leftists that want him to do a goddamned thing beyond talk about how ketchup makes the boot taste better.
I still don’t understand why they beg me for money when they have their good billionaires dicks to suck instead.
I’ll never forgive Bernie for selling out my info to the democrat party.
