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The administration claimed that blocking arms transfers would embolden Hamas — ignoring Israel’s genocidal slaughter.
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The crats are too stupid to see thats why people stayed at home instead of voting for harris.
Reminder: Biden was an OG neoliberal that helped Republicans convert their former opposition party into the modern hail corporate Democrats,and was a prominent figure in the legislation for waging our draconian and ineffective war on drugs.
Joe Biden was never your friend, he was complicit in changing our national politics to
Capitalist exploitation + rainbow ribbons(D)
Or
Capitalist exploitation + scapegoating®
I held my nose and voted for him in 2020, but that’s just harm reduction. I’ll take a serial killer over a cannibal serial killer that eats your fingers and toes before they kill you type thing.
Remember when people got mad at you for calling him Genocide Joe?
They still do. They’re just even less justified than they used to be.
Could be using his last days on something constructive, or to earn lower and midde class trust back. Instread why not one last war crime for the road.
He could be using his king powers granted by the SCOTUS to give minimum wage, the funds he promised, fully cancel student debt, keep queer protections, make abortion legal, or any of the things he said he would do but somehow was always stopped.
But he just keeps giving aid to “Literally Genocide LLC” because who cares, he’ll take that AIPAC money and run before the Trump fans start going after him.
None of that is possible for the president to do. That’s all legislation. An official act isn’t creating legislation.
And yet, this Supreme Court will grant trump immunity for every illegal action he takes while in office.
Which war crime are you referencing the Biden is committing?
Aiding and abetting crimes against humanity by supplying weapons and funds while knowing EXACTLY what they’re being used for.
I understand the argument and I completely disagree with sending any support to Israel so they can continue genociding Palestinians. Is what you’re referencing actually a thing though. I understand aiding and abetting, I just don’t know if that actually makes it criminal in the actual written law.
Yes, it does both in international and US domestic law
Multiple provisions in U.S. law restrict the sale or provision of weapons to other countries, including the federal Arms Export Control Act, the Foreign Assistance Act, and the Leahy Law. The open letter draws on evidence from Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and other watchdogs to argue that continuing to provide weapons to Israel blatantly violates these laws, in addition to international treaties.
Thank you for that. I am aware of these and I don’t see anywhere that dictates war crimes as the OP suggested. I understand the criminality but that doesn’t mean war crime.
I was just trying to point out that screaming war crime at everything is not necessary.
Are you capable of saying “Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza”? If so, say it now.
Sure but that is not what was said.
have you lost count
That’s not an answer.
Yes but I’m not obligated to provide you one.
I’m not looking for a legal debate or sealioning or any other drawn out conversation about this topic.
Some things that are noteworthy are that the United States is violating its own laws as pointed out by Sanders, and the ICC just put out warrants for Netenyahu and Gallant, so whether or not we debate the particulars Biden is involved in those crimes
Breaking US law does not equal a war crime as OP suggested.
If you ever want to name an actual war crime, I’ll get the notification.
Heyyyy there’s that bullshit I was talking about… Why don’t you keep busy by writing an essay about how Putin’s war is illegal but Biden’s genocide is A-OK because it’s just not from the champagne region of Russia.
I’ll get the notification
Just an observation, I hope Ukraine can make it through all this, but when this war started news was non stop how Russia was falling on their face and losing thousands of troops and equipment.
Now that trump won news is non stop Ukraine is losing ground and will fall without aid.
This is why Americans are so disillusioned with all this. The propaganda machine can’t stick to a narrative and makes people feel like everything is fake. The media in this country is so fucked and a big reason why people are so uninformed.
They were. In the early parts of the war. They’ve learned and adapted and currently outpace Ukrainians in arms, men, and doctrine.
Democrats are not a real party, it’s just controlled opposition at this point.
Pretty much. Most candidates from both parties are bought by AIPAC as well as other lobbies. We have an oligarchy.
Funny. That’s what I hear republicans called
He earned the Genocide Joe tag at this point. Hes got nothing to lose but still insists the genocide continues without the least bit of resistance.
“You can push Biden to the left once we win!”
“Murder is bad? Defend Ukraine, not Israel?”
“WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?!”
Yeah, actually it could have been easier to push the Democrats left if they actually won. As it stands now no amount of pushing changes the dynamics of the House, Senate, and Presidency.
How? At that point they would have gotten what they need from you and toss you aside as a used tissues for all its worth
but after the election the Democrats are going to be anti genocide. They can’t be progressive until after the election because of AIPAC. once the election is over, they’re going to do a complete 180 mark my words
Don’t worry, Trump will be so much better for this entire situation. Let’s revisit your comment in 2025 and see if you’re calling out Trump for this as well.
What in God’s name are you on? How on earth is criticizing members of the democratic party in any way considered to be support of Trump?? You guys are really taking the term “partisanship” to heart. I’m entirely convinced you’d petulantly support anyone if they were a part of the Democrat establishment. The way you come out of the woodwork to spout off this kind of deranged nonsense, it almost sounds like you WANT the genocide in Gaza to worsen. Like if it didn’t, you’d be deprived of the opportunity to pompously rub someone’s nose in it.
Have you no principles? Have you no morality? Are you a doomerist or a pessimist or what? If you have nothing worthwhile to add to political dialog other than “criticizing Joe Biden for literally protecting genociders from international prosecution and also continuously arming them is exactly the same thing as supporting Donald Trump” then maybe turn off your phone and go back to plugging your ears and closing your eyes. Your liberal friends are all waiting for you.
They do. What do you think “blue no matter who” means?
“Don’t call us Blue MAGA! We just think if you critize the dear leader
Putin, Xi, TrumpBiden/Harris, you hate America and are the other party and programmed by Russia with ChatGPT!”Let’s just see what happens to all these loud voices criticizing Biden once Trump takes office. My guess is magically they’ll stay silent or somehow still blame the left for what’s happening.
Supporting Trump or not, this mindset is one of the factors that helped Trump get elected again. Protest votes are the stupidest thing anyone could have done in this election, and to anyone who did so, you absolutely helped Trump get elected.
Go ahead and delude yourself into thinking that there was any other choice in this election, but the reality is that both sides support Israel, only one side will take it to an absolute extreme.
It’s absolutely heartbreaking what is happening in Gaza, but that is just one of the issues that were on the field this election and the country blew it.
Have you no sense of how things actually work in the world? Are you living in a dream state?
Not voting for Harris this election was exactly the same thing as supporting Trump in terms of actual effects.
Three things.
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Democratic party is not “the left”. They are neoliberal conservatives who support American capitalism and imperialism. There are socialist factions in the democratic party, but they are small and have no actual power in the party.
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No one said fucking anything about not voting for Harris. You are having an argument with ghosts you’ve invented in your rotting skull.
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“It’s awful what is happening in Gaza” What is happening is the Palestinian genocide. What’s happening is ethnic cleansing. What’s happening is the mass murder of children. What’s happening is thr Israeli state and the IDF is colonizing Gaza and the West bank. They are committing crimes against humanity with American guns and money. It’s already at the utmost extreme. THEY ARE SHOOTING CHILDREN IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD EN MASS. IF YOU ARE ANTI-GENOCIDE STOP PRETENDING ITS ANYTHING ELSE.
You are a conservative. You are the exact type of person that supports token progressive politics while women lose rights across the fucking board and the DNC does nothing to stop it when they absolutely could. Same with trans rights. Same with black rights.
You are not the left. You never have been the left. If you disagree with genocide then you should be denouncing it with us, not playing interference tactics for genociders and genocide supporters. The election is over. The DNC failed. Get over it. Accept it. It’s done. Time to address the many fucking problems that got us here.
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Yes I’m clearly very pro Trump. The American political binary has made complete brainrotten fools of you all
Centrists believe anyone to their left a trump supporter and anyone to their right is just itching to vote for Democrats.
Even after Israel treated Biden like shit for four years in response to unquestionable support…
Israel backed trump instead and Biden still is fighting his own party on this instead of spending his last few weeks with any power trying to mitigate Trump’s incoming damage.
At this point I honestly don’t understand how anyone can claim Biden was anything but a waste of four years that was so unproductive it let trump back into the White House.
I don’t give two shits if these ultra conservative Dems are slightly better than a republican. I know I can hold my nose, been doing it for a long time.
But not enough other people will.
And yelling at them isn’t effective.
So why don’t we stop trying to shove neoliberalism down Dem voters throats, and just run a candidate Dem voters already want to vote for over trump without needing a billion dollar campaign funded by everyone causing problems for the American people
Iran, Russia, China and North Korea have formed an alliance. The US supports Israel as a means to an end: preventing Iran from growing in power in that region.
Russia also supports the fascist apartheid regime and, if anything, the genocide emboldens everyone who’s already opposed to zionist colonialism.
There’s no upside to the people of the US or the rest of the west, only the politicians being bribed and blackmailed by AIPAC and similar de facto foreign government agencies.
TONS of downside, though, not least of which that what they’re doing is more morally repulsive and indefensible than even the atrocities that we rightfully despise the Putin regime for doing.
well if thats true, we’ve alienated our allies in that region so that plan was remarkably stupid. Or, it could just be that our representitives have been bribed and Israel doesnt care what US support for mass murder costs the US long term.
Or that the problem is Netanyahu and there is no easy way to end his genocide without letting Iran and thus Russia, China and North Korea get stronger.
Pure idiocy at this point.
It failed on the floor, but got an impressive 18 votes, I think. Done.
All Republicans voted against it.
That was guaranteed, the Democrats that voted against it is the important part; these are the people to campaign against and vote out.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1182/vote_118_2_00292.htm
But I’d suggest supporting the yay votes, rather than punishing the nays. Those progressive seats are the ones the DNC will try to primary, and they’ll need campaign donation help next cycle.
Still gonna email my displeasure to my senators.
Sure, then you can have Republicans replace them and be assured it never comes up for a vote at all. The logic is outstanding.
The logic is outstanding.
You mean the logic of just ignoring that primaries exist in order to prop op the false dichotomy that led to losing all parts of the government to a literal fascist party?
Yeah, your logic IS outstandingly bad.
Republicans will not allow a vote on the floor to limit Israeli arms. Democrats did. Simple
So its gone from you cant vote third party to now you cant even even vote for democrats who don’t support genocide?
How are you still making this argument? I hope you’re a bot, because if that’s a human brain behind these words that’s depressing.
Voting-oriented do nothing liberals are just waiting with their thumbs up their asses for one more chance to vote for the “lesser evil” Democrats who are worse than the “greater evil” Republicans of 20 years ago.
I don’t want to hear any more complaints from liberals until they fucking get out in the streets and actually take meaningful political actions that matter. Voting is nothing now, don’t you see? If enough of you cowards joined the left in being anti-genocide, if enough of you joined protests and riots and strikes and actual direct action, if enough of you considered voting to be the bare minimum and not the entirety of your civic duty, then and only then would we actually see any improvement.
I’m sick of hearing about how people didn’t vote properly. get the fuck out there and take real action. If not now, when?
You’re the people standing idly by and enabling the greatest evils. You’re the ones future generations will be asking about when they say “why didn’t anyone do anything?”
Nobody is going to talk about a minority of leftists choosing not to vote pro-genocide. They’re all going to be talking about do nothing cowardly Democrats watching their country go to shit because voting is the only thing they consider political action.
Stop punching left. Join us on the left and punch back. You fucking idiots.
The only answer of the DNC and their apparatchiks every time their 1992 strategy fails:
Looking good on that soap box. Time to run, I think.
Keep running, that’s my point. You’re useless now and will be for at least 4 years. Leave the work to the grown ups
Edit: Oh my God I think he means running for office. He literally can’t imagine political action outside of elections. Libs gonna lib.
A Senate term is 6 years. Before a run it might be good for the grown ups to check the particulars.
This is barely relevant, was it worth licking the cheeto dust off your fingers?
Exactly. There’s going to be a lot of calls for Democrats to eat each other in the next 4 years.
The term of a Senator is 6 years. You’ve got at least a decade to wait.
For some, that time is coming. Come nov 2026 midterms all class 2 senators are up for reelection (and then class 3 in 2028). While there are more Republicans up at that point than Democrats, the strategy will be the same, and many of those Republican seats seem pretty safe.
And Republicans will never allow the Senate to vote on arms supply to Israel. It’s really that simple.
Yep. And trolls will paint this as “both sides the same.” I wonder if Trump will get a “genocide” moniker?
Clearly at least some of the Democrats are a Nazi as the Republicans.
everyone under 40: Why send arms to Israel?
everyone over 40: 😐
Nope. I’m 41 and as appalled by the atrocities of the fascist apartheid regime as most people on the left.
It’s a Left/Right and principles/realpolitik divide rather than one based on age.
Especially now that Joe Rogan and troglodytes like him are winning millions of young voters over to fascism with their false demagoguery and misinformation disguised as entertainment and “hearing out both sides”.
Just get out, Biden. The sooner you’re out the sooner we can get Trump’s mess over with.
That is not how this works.
I see, you support genocide. Good to know.
Nothing you’ve said here makes sense. Biden can’t start Trump’s term early. Just because you feel morally correct doesn’t mean rationality goes out the window. Baseless finger pointing about genocide is an extremely stupid move. Do better.
