• UKFilmNerd@feddit.uk
    27·
    5 months ago

    The problem is the country is in such a fucking mess, it will take Labour years to try and sort it out. The fact Starmer won’t even think about joining the single market is stupid too. Probably appeasing the Brexit Labour voters.

    • SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee
      25·
      5 months ago

      It’s such a predictable cycle. Labour get in, spend a shit load of money sorting everything out, then in 5 years time the Conservatives will say “look how much money they’ve wasted”, and everyone will forget about what the Cons have done with money in the last few years…and that’s a best case scenario.

      • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
        81·
        5 months ago

        Also don’t forget both the Tories and Labour variously doing major projects only for the next government to take the credit, while simultaneously criticising the previous govenment for both not investing and spending more than them, as the next government only finished the project and aren’t starting anything new.

        “Luckily” the Tories know they have no chance of winning, so they’re cancelling all the major projects and salting the earth so that Labour don’t get to take the credit in a few years.

        (representative democracy is a scam give me an absolute monarch or direct democracy only please & thank you)

        (or frankly the realistic option of elected people who set the agenda and weekly referendums where people vote on the things they care about and abstain/don’t show up for other things)

          • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
            6·
            5 months ago

            I think that because referendums are so rare and it was such a major issue that people came out in droves to vote even if they didn’t have a strong opinion, and that’d probably still happen for “big things” but one would hope for normal things that you’d only get serial voters, who are likely to be informed given they’re voting all the time, and people who are interested in the subject matter

    • JoBo@feddit.uk
      8·
      5 months ago

      The fact Starmer won’t even think about joining the single market is stupid too.

      Joining the single market would simplify border issues but it wouldn’t solve them… We’d have to join the Customs Union and the common VAT area as well to do that. SM-only is not completely pointless but there is a massive political risk attached because it doesn’t solve all the problems its advocates pretend it does.

      There are only two ways to make Brexit work. One is to be an EU member in all but name (following all the rules but having a very limited role in making the rules). The other is a united Ireland (with a lot more expenditure on customs and warehousing in Britain).

      The first is politically impossible, and also pointless. The second is up to the people of the island of Ireland and requires a British govt which is willing to invest in the real economy, rather than keeping most of us around to create the illusion of a real country instead of a tax haven based on a massive casino.

    • BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      5 months ago

      And you know the second Tories are out, the articles start about how Labour hasn’t solved whatever problem the Tories caused yet. It’s the conservative way. Cause as much damage as you can while in power, whine about said damage when not. Repeat until you can establish a dictatorship.

    • mannycalavera@feddit.uk
      7·
      5 months ago

      Labour aren’t going to win without Brexit supporting Labour voters in the North. Keir knows this. He wants to win. Thus he’s staying quiet on the Brexit issue.

    • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      3·
      5 months ago

      ruling out transformative change just all but guarantees that any labour government lasts a short period of time before the tories come back while courting the fringe right of their party through populism.

  • TacticsConsort@yiffit.net
    21·
    5 months ago

    I hope to god they don’t. I know it’s unlikely but I will not relax until those bastards are out of my government, Brexit was unforgivable to me, to say nothing of the budget fiasco.

    I really wish we could get a better Labour leader than Starmer though… But even a bad labour leader has to be better than these past few years.

    • FatLegTed@feddit.ukEnglish
      14·
      5 months ago

      Truth. That’s why we need to stop faffing around with voting for ‘nice to have’ candidates. Get the tories out so thoroughly that they are finished for a generation at least. Get Labour in and then we can look at other options. But we must get the tories into the bin first.

  • Hol@feddit.ukEnglish
    14·
    5 months ago

    Water may be wet. But let’s wait until January to be sure.

  • julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works
    6·
    5 months ago

    It pisses me off that this getting coverage when it contains no actual new information and is so obviously a conservative communications strategy.

    Rishi is not accepting the rejection of his ideas at all. He’s conjuring the spectre of hung parliament as a rallying cry to disaffected tory voters. Maria Caulfield quote about the differences between local and govt elections really hammers this home and every media outfit is blithely repeating it all like they’re tory sock puppets.

    • julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      5 months ago

      Best I’ve seen so far is the independent and, while they add some sensible context, even they are quoting sunak as if he’s speaking in good faith.