Currently lemmy is like the speedboat next to the heavy steam boat of Mastodon etc. While lemmy is still dynamic and flexible and can introduce new features easily without scaring off its established user base, mastodon can not do such experiments so easily. Now, if lemmy gains more momentum in the fediverse and establishes features, which other services don’t have, it could really push innovation in the Fediverse further. What do you think?

  • Dame @lemmy.mlEnglish
    18·
    9 months ago

    As others have stated there’s some basic things that need to be addressed first and who knows if they will. I believe Kbin is in a potential unique position to get things right and drive innovation. There’s the one dev but others have offered to help and once things are more stable and mature it will get better. I actually disagree somewhat with Mastodon, if you look at its public roadmap it’s planning on taking measures that will have a significant impact, some of them are features longtime users have fought against. There’s plenty of growth to be had and innovation. I’m so excited on the future of the Fedi

        • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
          41·
          9 months ago

          MAS-48 Quote posts

          Oh wow, they gave in to the tweetheads … mastodon is going to become a whole lot more toxic.

          • Dame @lemmy.mlEnglish
            4·
            9 months ago

            I don’t think so. That was their reasoning for not implementing Full-text search and Quotes yet other Fediverse platforms have had these features and I haven’t come across any reporting and or posts about these being used as tools for abuse.

            • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
              3·
              9 months ago

              Mastodon is the biggest service in the fediverse and attracts mostly people who use short-form communication (just like twitter). IIRC quotes were frowned upon and the creator of mastodon resisted their implementation for a long time because he saw it as major cause of the toxicity: talk about somebody without having them in the discussion. I agreed with that assessment, which is why I’m surprised it’s being implemented now.

              Probably people want the same features as on twitter and don’t care what effect it will have.

              • Dame @lemmy.mlEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                What was your reasons for agreeing with that assessment? It wasn’t just used for negativity. All of these are tools and they can be misused. Having a social media account in general opens people up for harassment

                • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
                  41·
                  9 months ago

                  I think what he said is correct:

                  Another feature that has been requested almost since the start, and which I keep rejecting is quoting messages. Coming back to my disclaimer, of course it’s impossible to prevent people from sharing screenshots or linking to public resources, but quoting messages is immediately actionable. It makes it a lot easier for people to immediately engage with the quoted content… and it usually doesn’t lead to anything good. When people use quotes to reply to other people, conversations become performative power plays. “Heed, my followers, how I dunk on this fool!” When you use the reply function, your message is broadcast only to people who happen to follow you both. It means one person’s follower count doesn’t play a massive role in the conversation. A quote, on the other hand, very often invites the followers to join in on the conversation, and whoever has got more of them ends up having the upper hand and massively stressing out the other person.

                  From github quoting a blog entry.

                  You can read the conversation there and most of what people who are against the feature said, I agree with. It encourages bad behavior, simplifies talking about somebody “behind their back”, and just copies a feature used primarily to dogpile onto people the quoter disagrees with.

                  • Dame @lemmy.mlEnglish
                    1·
                    9 months ago

                    I have read it and I can understand but it doesn’t encourage bad behaviour. It’s a tool, it will be used how people decide to use it. I also believe most of the concerns are disingenuous as there’s plenty of abuse that has happened and still has happened on Mastodon. Have you and those that agreed advocated for the abolishment of PM? That is significantly worse than QTs and search. That’s the primary vector of harm. What’s worse is that it’s hidden. Black users have been harassed via PMs