FCC says “too bad” to ISPs complaining that listing every fee is too hard::Comcast and other ISPs asked FCC to ditch listing-every-fee rule. FCC says “no.”

  • Wahots@pawb.social
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    1 year ago

    Good. Now ban data caps. Unlike water or electricity, you cannot run out of data.

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      1 year ago

      They don’t cap data because there is a “finite supply of data” they cap it because there is a finite amount of bandwidth.

      That being said though, it should still be banned because it isn’t 2005 anymore and the bandwidth we have is absolutely ridiculous.

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        1 year ago

        They aren’t rate limiting bandwidth, but monthly utilization and those are uncoupled values. Besides your plan already limits your bandwidth. The data cap is just an added fee.

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          No, I mean limited bandwidth as in all together, not individually. You can’t have unlimited bandwidth because you don’t have unlimited resources.

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            1 year ago

            But monthly caps aren’t a cap on bandwidth? Bandwidth is a measure of throughput and that’s not what monthly caps are. If it were, then when you used up your monthly cap you just couldn’t use any more of it because you’d have run out, but that isn’t how it works, if you exceed your cap you get charged a fee, that’s it. It’s just an extra fee for using your internet.

            It doesn’t make sense in aggregate either, if I used my entire monthly cap in the shortest possible time period and then stopped using internet for the rest of the month, that would be the most stress I could possibly put on the network. And it wouldn’t cost me anything extra. But if I use 1.3TB instead of 1.2TB over the entire month there is no appreciable extra stress on the network, but I get charged a fee for it. It’s a bullshit fee.

            • douglasg14b@lemmy.world
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              You just said it doesn’t make sense as an aggregate, and then went on to describe something that is literally not an aggregate… That’s not what an aggregate is

              It does make sense as an aggregate. These sorts of limits are used all over the tech industry, it’s a form of rate limiting. Doing it on a monthly time scale instead of a daily or hourly one still aggregates very similarly.

              Do I agree with it? No, it’s bullshit these days, but you are clearly misrepresenting the problem space that’s used to justify it.

      • uis@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        there is a finite amount of bandwidth.

        And why after saying “you will not get more than 100Mbit/s” they say “also you will not get more than 10Gbit/mo”? It is not just a note about theoretical limit, but actual data cap.

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          Because they can then let you get faster bandwidth, but you don’t soak it all up. That’s the general idea at least but it doesn’t apply to today.

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        I’m from the Netherlands and remember when we first got internet over the television cable. It was already unlimited use. Well under FUP (fair use policy), meaning that you could get charged when you extremely exceeded the downloaded data average of all other users. I downloaded everything I could get my hand on and never got a charge for it.

        Now I have 1gig fiber connection for €60, I would go crazy if I had data caps.

      • Thom Gray@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        There is also a “finite supply” of clean water and electricity, but during the dawn of the Internet age corporations had more lobbying power than before and were able to stave off real meaningful regulation, now the consumer pays the price. We need to stop giving corporations the same rights as people and revisit the 14th Amendment they stole personhood from, as it wasn’t intended for that purpose. Regardless of what Mitt Romney might think, corporations are not people.