@fediverse Let’s face it. When talking about the Fediverse, it is very hard to sell interoperability between different types of instances as a major advantage.
@fediverse Let’s face it. When talking about the Fediverse, it is very hard to sell interoperability between different types of instances as a major advantage.
@fediverse From my experience I am having two main issues when talking with people about the Fediverse:
@fediverse So, these problems break the whole idea of having one profile for accessing all the available content on the Fediverse. In general, this can be described as one major problem: even if my chosen instance is federated with some other where the content I am interested in is available, I will still have some issues in accessing.
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It’s just the way it is. Different hosts, different host configurations, different fediverse software, different software configs, and all that.
Few people are aware today but when Google Mail was first beta tested (very early invite days), we did experience a lot of issues. Mails from Y!Mail not arriving. There was also one time when a mail from another server arrives garbled.
Apologies for using the email analogy again.
Let me use the mobile analogy as another example. Here in the Philippines, I don’t know in other countries, we’ve had interoperability issues a decade or two ago. The Philippines is the SMS capital of the world, so imagine our frustration because the two major (and only) SMS providers cannot interoperate reliably.
Two different networks. Two different systems. Trying to federate to each other.
There will indeed be interoperability issues.
They haven’t really solved it, but it was at least minimised.
So, yes, we have to accept that it is going to be a long road until we achieve the level wherein these challenges you have mentioned are minimised in the fediverse as well. I’m sure, politics aside, the #ActivityPub developers are finding ways. _
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@fediverse 2. In most of the cases I have experiences, Mastodon is the only one that has a good level of stability that allows for active consume of content present on other intances. “Content is almost instantly federated”, and I guess this is because Mastodon has a lot of users and therefore a lot of instances federated. In my opinion, this gives more value to the local timeline, as it correctly reinforces the idea that instances should be the community of your own choosing.
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#Firefish #Pleroma (and its forks) #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #SocialNetwork to mention a few, fits your description. _
@fediverse Mastodon is the level of UX other projects should aim to. Unfortunately, others like Pixelfed and Lemmy are still not as adopted, and profiles can not communicate that well. This makes the on-life experience of making a friend create a new account and adding you very painful, because different servers might not be synced and the content of your profile might not appear in their client. This makes people to join large instances so they can have everyone in their local timeline.
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Not being able to sync’d has to do with the hosting and how the admin set up their instance configuration.
Depending on the software, there is usually a feature for “polling”. This is the part of the #fediverse software where an admin can set how frequent the software will push and pull content and check profiles.
They also check how active an account is, be it local or otherwise, because believe it or not, polling an less or inactive account is also taxing on the server host.
These backend features or settings allows an instance to run. Imagine having 100 users who follow 100 users each. And the server is polling those 100 local users and the 100 users each.
Different fediverse software have done a different way to manage this. Some moved to other database instead of using mySQL. Some are using a different programming language instead of Ruby.
And a lot of other things we will never know about unless we look into their respective source codes.
I’m going to use the overused email analogy here, believe it or not, you don’t actually receive every email sent to you. We’re talking about legit emails here, they’re just lost.
No technology can be perfect. Polling, sync’ing, there will always be something that will not reach you. However, developers and engineers are doing their best to minimise this (like in email land).
The way I see it, people were spoiled by silo or closed-network or closed-garden #SNS. Of course, within your own, it is easier to ensure everything is received. Like, again, in email, sending to the same domain there’s a 100% guarantee it will be received. So, people expect it will be the same.
And if you explain the technical side of things, most people will run away and say, “just fix it” or “not ready for primetime”. But they never did that for the web (HTTP/S) and email (SMTP). When Chromium / Google Chrome was very buggy, everyone continued to migrate to it anyway. When developers were calling to kill IE6, corporations still use IE6 and were only forced when Microsoft seriously killed it.
Most people accept the flaws of software and services they recognise and already using but will not accept the flaws of the fediverse. I think that’s what we should understand so we can change people’s minds and have a better approach.
@fediverse Again, maybe I was only very unlucky with the instances I chose to let my friends sign up for the Fediverse, but we really need to think on how to make this as effortless as possible for new users. Changing paradigm is not easy, making everyone grasp the underlying concepts of the Fediverse is not easy, increasing adoption is not easy. We can not rely on another Xpocalypse.
I’m interested in discussing more about this.