• Veraticus@lib.lgbt
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    1 year ago

    I think this is pretty easy to say for people who don’t need incrementalism. Like if your immediate goal is luxury space communism then of course the system itself is in your way, and everyone voting for anything not like luxury space communism is hindering you.

    Those of us whose existences remain political, and who have a vocal and highly-organized set of political enemies, can’t afford to vote the whole system into nonexistence. Because who knows where our rights and liberties will be afterwards? Or even if we fail with our moonshot and wind up with fascists – that’s equally as bad for us. Whereas the radical utopians seem to be more “meh, we’ll just try again later. With less LGBTQ+ people I guess!”

    Anyway, less evil is actually really important for a lot of people.

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      1 year ago

      I think the good news is that we are taking the proper increments in the US.

      • Unions, which democratize workplaces and actually ease the burdens on the working class
      • Ranked Choice Voting, which has reached a few states, although it will take some time on a Federal level.
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        Beyond ranked choice, we really need proportional representation like so many of the more successful parliamentary governments

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          1 year ago

          Yes, we need so many more reps. On every level it’s kinda ridiculous, but I’m unaware of discussions about how to do it.

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        And we are slowly but surely moving the needle on LGBTQ+ rights and women’s rights. I agree we’re making progress. I disagree that it’s because the parties are both the same actually.