Zelenskyy insists on guarantees ahead of Trump meeting after US president says Ukraine can ‘forget about’ joining Nato – live
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Ukrainian president says ‘guarantees of peace and security’ were vital ahead of expected talks in Washington on Friday

Donald Trump, at his first cabinet meeting, said he believed the US is negotiating “very successfully” with Russia and Ukraine.

The US president suggested that a ceasefire deal is close. “We’re going to make a deal with Russia and Ukraine to stop killing people,” he told reporters.

Asked if he is willing to make security guarantees as part of the deal, Trump replied:

I’m not going to make security guarantees beyond very much … We’re going to have Europe do that, because Europe is the next door neighbour.

He added that the US will be partnering with Ukraine “in terms of rare earth.” “We very much need rare earth, they have great rare earth,” Trump said.

Trump said it was “great deal for Ukraine too, because they get us over there, we are going to be working over there”.

  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    112·
    16 hours ago

    If this outcome (which many leftists correctly predicted) was known to Ukrainians three years ago,

    "We predicted that we were going to help the GOP elect a Russian puppeted fascist three years ago, because NEOLIBS are worse than fascists, and the lives of minorities and foreigners don’t matter ^.^ "

    Quite a prediction from ‘many leftists’.

    do you think Ukrainians would have been as enthusiastic to fight? So America can put a straw in their ground, and slurp up their minerals to fund Raytheon.

    Do I think Ukrainians would have been as enthusiastic about not being genocided if America wasn’t supporting them?

    Yes. Most people who aren’t ghouls think that.

    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      23·
      14 hours ago

      The signalling about the minerals was done far before Trump took the reigns.

      Ukraine confirmed this week that they refused the early peace deal (which is better than the deal they will get now) because NATO promised to support them to the end.

      Neocons can blame this all on the convenient orange sheep, but the Biden administration made no effort to provide with Ukraine with decisive weapons to win the war. Only barely enough for the stalemate to keep going.

        • IndustryStandard@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          23·
          14 hours ago

          Are you able to write a single comment without half of it painting the person you are disagreeing with as a supporter of Putin?

          Read one of your own favorite newspapers articles. They were already praising Ukraine’s minerals. When the war began. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/natural-resources-ukraine-war-1.6467039

          And the open acknowledgment of mineral extortion is not a new Trump plan. It was openly proposed by neocons last year. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28288

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            13 hours ago

            Are you able to write a single comment without half of it painting the person you are disagreeing with as a supporter of Putin?

            Supporter is a strong word. I believe ‘useful idiot’ is the traditional nomenclature.

            Read one of your own favorite newspapers articles and replace the word Russia with America. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/natural-resources-ukraine-war-1.6467039

            “Russia, a country on the border of Ukraine with long-standing interests in subjugating the people and territory, wants Ukraine’s minerals; therefore, the US wants it too”

            Maybe India will invade next.

            And the open acknowledgment of mineral extortion is not a new Trump plan. It was openly proposed by neocons last year. https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28288

            Holy fucking shit, did you not read your own article?

            Graham said the idea came from former President Donald Trump, who on Feb. 10 said that aid for Ukraine should not go through unless it’s restructured as a loan.

            Jesus fucking Christ.

            This is a common claim by fascist shitheads, and has been for a good two years now, that has been repeatedly debunked in various ways. It has been repeated by Trump’s fascist cronies recently, though, so it would be very interesting if you have an actual source for this. Surely you wouldn’t signal boost pro-genocide misinformation from fascist cunts in service to imperialist aims, and fascist cunts in service to the US fascist government, no less, would you…?

            So that’s a ‘no’ to this one. Just freely repeating fascist claims in service to an ongoing genocide.

            You want to know why you feel like you’re being painted as a “Putin supporter”? It’s because your talking points are from the same shit trough.

            If you don’t want to be mistaken for a fascist, I might recommend no longer supporting fascist talking points, and, unlike fascists, maybe acting with some small modicum of respect for consistency and factual accuracy instead of repeating baseless claims which serve imperialist powers and citing sources that disprove your own points.