On June 11th, 2024, we discovered a set of vulnerabilities in Kia vehicles that allowed remote control over key functions using only a license plate. These attacks could be executed remotely on any hardware-equipped vehicle in about 30 seconds, regardless of whether it had an active Kia Connect subscription.
That’s a very subjective take. My friends and family that live in hot climates love the ability to remotely turn on and pre-cool their vehicles. I appreciate being able to check if I remembered to lock the doors.
Thats precisely what I’m referring to- these things being possible when you’re inside of a store, restaurant, or an extreme case like you parked at the airport for a trip.
And by using that internet connected feature you’re 100% handing out your driving info to your car manufacturer, who in turn will sell it to LexisNexis, who in turn will sell it to insurance companies, who in turn will jack up your insurance prices.
Sure, that sucks. But I’m not saying there are zero downsides, I’m specifically countering the argument that there are “no good reasons” with my personal good reasons.
it really depends whether that counts as a good reason. for us the downsides highly outweigh the upsides.
and yes, I know what it’s like to sit in a hot car when I just got back to it on the hot summer day. but I can really wait 2 minutes outside the car when it’s that bad
Man, I’ll never understand this “car is too hot for me to sit in” to be honest. Lmao. Sounds to me like people are too spoiled and this is something kids say. Come one, you really think of this is as an issue? I don’t even have an ac in my car. It broke over 4 years ago and I never fixed it. But for each their own I guess.
Man, I’ll never understand this “car is too hot for me to sit in” to be honest.
Probably because you don’t live in a hot climate?
The interior of a car here can get up to 150 degrees. And the bits and bobs inside can get even hotter. I’ve gotten second degree burns from the seatbelt.
Now imagine you’re out exercising for 3 hours in 107 degree heat. Or working for 6-8 hours in it. Getting in that car might literally kill you.
LOL. I don’t live in a hot climate? How about the middle east? Does that sound hot enough? I grew up living in a tent. A literal tent until I was about 20, then my father decided to build a house. Then that house had no power until 2008. And our weather there can get to 130+ easily. So, imagine that heat. Imagine how getting into a car would feel. Here is a photo I took of a thermometer I took in June of 2009. It was around 1 pm. I was on a military base that day. It won’t kill you, you will be fine. Open your windows and wait outside a little so you don’t melt. lol
A) you can survive without precooling or set it to start before getting deep into the store.
B)if you want that feature fine, but leave it off everyone else’s car! No cell connections should be installed by default like this. It’s a walking cve list waiting to happen.
My car reminds me if the doors are unlocked or left open. I can adjust the charging speed at any time. I can turn on the HVAC and seat heaters before I leave. I can see my current state of charge. I can see exactly what is happening when my alarm goes off. I can see exactly where it is if it’s stolen. Etc.
You can argue that those are not important to you, personally but I don’t think you can argue that they aren’t good reasons.
I think there are certainly other wireless technologies that are superior in many ways and can supplement or replace the need for internet access in your immediate area.
the first bunch provides info and abilities that are only relevant when you are in the car. this is like wanting to know your house’s temperature when you are in the store, or on vacation. what the fuck you do with that information?
the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this? go after them with your 4th car and a shotgun? let’s hope they did not disconnect the batteries…
if you absolutely cannot live without these, you should by an extension that does this, instead of forcing this shit on everyone
I don’t know what “the first bunch” is so I can’t answer that but these are all definitely use while away from the car.
the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this?
Is that a real question? You’re going to figure out why your alarm is going off, and if it’s stolen you’re going to give it to the police so they can recover it…
if you absolutely cannot live without these, you should by an extension that does this
I dunno what an “extension” is but pretty sure it doesn’t exist or can’t do these things.
I think the point is that there isn’t a good enough reason to put internet in a car that negates the risk of it.
It is like adding lead to food. It’s a cheap sweetener with no calories. You can argue that cheap sweeteners aren’t important to you, but I don’t think you can argue that it isn’t a good reason. It just isn’t a good enough reason to negate the risk.
There’s just no good reason to have anything beyond the radio/nav etc in a car connected to the Internet. Remote start can be done with just the key.
I would say even those don’t need Internet. Navigation can be updated using a USB drive, and I have a phone for audio so I just need bluetooth.
The only network connection I want in my car is to notify emergency services if the airbags go off.
You know what fuck builtin nav. Connect it to my phone and let that be it for navigation.
Plus if you use your phone for nav you can use whatever maps you like. My city is mapped pretty good on openstreetmap so that’s what I use.
And same for music. What year is this 2010?
I like using the built in radio rather than my phone for music, but it doesn’t need an internet connection, just a flash drive.
I suppose I’m a weirdo for not using Spotify like most people nowadays though
That’s a very subjective take. My friends and family that live in hot climates love the ability to remotely turn on and pre-cool their vehicles. I appreciate being able to check if I remembered to lock the doors.
Both of those functions have been available via key fob for at least a decade, no internet required. Though yes the range on that can be limited.
Thats precisely what I’m referring to- these things being possible when you’re inside of a store, restaurant, or an extreme case like you parked at the airport for a trip.
Some of us still remember Wise Guys and want that range! ;-)
And by using that internet connected feature you’re 100% handing out your driving info to your car manufacturer, who in turn will sell it to LexisNexis, who in turn will sell it to insurance companies, who in turn will jack up your insurance prices.
Sure, that sucks. But I’m not saying there are zero downsides, I’m specifically countering the argument that there are “no good reasons” with my personal good reasons.
it really depends whether that counts as a good reason. for us the downsides highly outweigh the upsides.
and yes, I know what it’s like to sit in a hot car when I just got back to it on the hot summer day. but I can really wait 2 minutes outside the car when it’s that bad
Man, I’ll never understand this “car is too hot for me to sit in” to be honest. Lmao. Sounds to me like people are too spoiled and this is something kids say. Come one, you really think of this is as an issue? I don’t even have an ac in my car. It broke over 4 years ago and I never fixed it. But for each their own I guess.
Probably because you don’t live in a hot climate?
The interior of a car here can get up to 150 degrees. And the bits and bobs inside can get even hotter. I’ve gotten second degree burns from the seatbelt.
Now imagine you’re out exercising for 3 hours in 107 degree heat. Or working for 6-8 hours in it. Getting in that car might literally kill you.
LOL. I don’t live in a hot climate? How about the middle east? Does that sound hot enough? I grew up living in a tent. A literal tent until I was about 20, then my father decided to build a house. Then that house had no power until 2008. And our weather there can get to 130+ easily. So, imagine that heat. Imagine how getting into a car would feel. Here is a photo I took of a thermometer I took in June of 2009. It was around 1 pm. I was on a military base that day. It won’t kill you, you will be fine. Open your windows and wait outside a little so you don’t melt. lol
It literally will.
As I said in my comment, that can be done with the key, no Internet connection needed.
As for the lock thing, I just need to look if my mirrors are folded in or not.
The fob won’t work if you’re deep inside a store, will it? Same for checking the mirrors.
A) you can survive without precooling or set it to start before getting deep into the store.
B)if you want that feature fine, but leave it off everyone else’s car! No cell connections should be installed by default like this. It’s a walking cve list waiting to happen.
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I mean, there are plenty of very good reasons.
My car reminds me if the doors are unlocked or left open. I can adjust the charging speed at any time. I can turn on the HVAC and seat heaters before I leave. I can see my current state of charge. I can see exactly what is happening when my alarm goes off. I can see exactly where it is if it’s stolen. Etc.
You can argue that those are not important to you, personally but I don’t think you can argue that they aren’t good reasons.
I think there are certainly other wireless technologies that are superior in many ways and can supplement or replace the need for internet access in your immediate area.
These sound like “value-add module purchased at or after time of sale” reasons.
In short, they’re features and not requirements.
frankly they aren’t good reasons.
the first bunch provides info and abilities that are only relevant when you are in the car. this is like wanting to know your house’s temperature when you are in the store, or on vacation. what the fuck you do with that information?
the remaining about the alarm and it being stolen, what are you going to do with this? go after them with your 4th car and a shotgun? let’s hope they did not disconnect the batteries…
if you absolutely cannot live without these, you should by an extension that does this, instead of forcing this shit on everyone
I don’t know what “the first bunch” is so I can’t answer that but these are all definitely use while away from the car.
Is that a real question? You’re going to figure out why your alarm is going off, and if it’s stolen you’re going to give it to the police so they can recover it…
I dunno what an “extension” is but pretty sure it doesn’t exist or can’t do these things.
I think the point is that there isn’t a good enough reason to put internet in a car that negates the risk of it.
It is like adding lead to food. It’s a cheap sweetener with no calories. You can argue that cheap sweeteners aren’t important to you, but I don’t think you can argue that it isn’t a good reason. It just isn’t a good enough reason to negate the risk.
OK but that’s not what they said.
if its not a good enough reason, that’s literally not a good reason
“Not good enough” = not important to you
“no good reason” = the benefits dont exist.
These are not the same.
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Yes? They do?
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LOL literally all of them, unless you’re standing near the car.
…and they do. That SIM card is useless without internet…
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once again, no, they don’t
LOL okay, maybe you’d like to share with the class how any of this works without internet while you’re not near the car?
Or would you just like to insist over and over that it doesn’t while refusing to explain?