The Supreme Court has rejected an emergency appeal from Nevada’s Green Party seeking to include presidential candidate Jill Stein on the ballot in the battleground state.
The court’s order Friday, without any noted dissents, allows ballot preparation and printing to proceed in Nevada without Stein and other Green Party candidates included.
The outcome is a victory for Democrats who had challenged the Greens’ inclusion on the ballot in a state with a history of extremely close statewide races. In 2020, President Joe Biden outpaced former President Donald Trump by fewer than 35,000 votes in the state.
while normally I’d be upset if they were running somebody with some kind of real intent to push real issues, its clear Stein is mostly isnt interested in pushing anything but conspiracy theories and russian appeasement.
But if we don’t vote 3rd party then democrats will never do the exact things I want, or some shit
I’ll be voting solid blue regardless, but the “exact things I want” in regards to Democrats is not helping a genocide, because I thought that was a bar even they could pass.
I’m not surprised they failed even that, but it does radicalize me further and solidify my position that all liberals that call themselves leftists out of rampant ignorance can fuck off forever.
And that will definitely change by voting 3rd party Ina presidential election!!
Yes, that latter point does describe how well you have summarized other people’s arguments. Good luck to you on that one.
Considering there is not a good argument for voting for a third party presidential candidate in this election vs. not voting at all, I don’t think the summary matters.
What “conspiracy theories”? Do you think that the genocide in Gaza is a conspiracy theory?
people forget about her vaccine skepticism, which is sad in a post covid world. There’s a reason she didnt run in 2020
Anti-democratic propoganda.
Stein is pro-vaccine, as she has stated in numerous interviews. If she had won in 2016, we would’ve had a medical doctor in the White House during a pandemic, and hundreds of thousands of lives could’ve been saved.
she’s pro vaccine, with an asterisk.
She seemed like a good alternative to Trump and Clinton at the time. But looking back I realize she was just put there by Putin to draw away lesser evil votes from Clinton so Trump could win. Another reason the Democratic Party fucked up by not allowing centrist or leftist candidates like Sanders even when they’d have a way better chance of winning by getting a lot of people to actually vote because they’d have a candidate they like rather than just voting against the other guy.
I really like Saunders, but big-C capitalists hate him because he actually works for the people. And that’s why he’ll never be POTUS or VP.
:/
Right and it’s why well never have a left of center candidate at all unless we get money out of politics. Which is not going to happen in the US. We’re stuck with moderate conservatives like Biden and Harris as the only option south of fascism.
Oh dear, that’s going to make her path to an electoral college victory harder, isn’t it.
She has 49 other states she can fail to win in…
but still siphon enough votes to hand trump the whitehouse
I feel like she isn’t on the ballot in a large number of states. I feel like basic research would reveal this fact. I feel like she isn’t going to siphon many votes away from Harris. I know for sure that people want to be able to blame her if Harris loses.
She doesnt need to pull that many votes from the Dems, the race is on a knife edge pretty much everywhere.
She’s also on the ballot in 39 states, which includes all of the battle ground states except nevada
270 to win!
Not realistically, no. It’s just about the same amount of difficulty.
Again… I might just go back too being a Dem. I tried 3rd party but, this stuff keeps happing. I like the ideals just no was too do it from a third party way for the time being. Gotta change from with in I guess.
Not from within, from underneath. You effect change at the lower levels. Political change comes from the ground up. That’s why Jill Stein is so frustrating cuz she takes all the money and attention that could be spent somewhere useful and instead spends it on a boondoggle for her own personal gain.
This. The Brits have a first past the post system. Greens now are winning mayorships and parliament seats and making deals with labor not to split the vote in their favor because they have been building local support for decades.
They are a force in their districts, so they get elected to office in their districts. Do that to a few dozen districts and you can meaningfully affect the balance of power in Westminster. Then you start getting into coalitions and supplying ministers.
You can’t just wake up once every four years and hope to be anything but a spoiler candidate.
100%
The two party system is incredibly frustrating. There is also a feeling of helplessness because the path to change is unclear. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans truly want more competition
The thing about change, if you’re only looking at it from a big picture and not a large time period, it might look static. But there’s lots of changes.
What you have to do is be local with your change. Obama was a community organizer and it’s often talked about as as something that has had such an impact, it’s changed everything.
All politics are local.
Stein will always fail because she’s always attempting to create the changes from top down. The USA will never work like that.
That’s a good way to put it.
It’s not a question of wanting competition or not. Political parties by nature will attempt to get as strong a coalition as they can, until they reach a size large enough that bisecting the party still leaves one half in power and some internal disagreememt triggers the split.
Fringe parties in America, like the Green and Libertarian parties, arent oppressed by some conspiracy between Rs and Ds. Rather, they are left at the fringe because they do not have any power worth pledging to, for the simple fact that in the american single-rep plurality-wins system tbere is no prize for second place.
Voters who like the current office holder work to keep them in power and those who do not work with the opposition to remove the incumbent from power. Anyone not joining one of these sides serves only as a tool for one side against the other, since anything but a vote for the runner up is an effective endorsrment of the eventual winner.
The American system is imperfect and could be a lot better, but fringe parties and vanity campaigns do nothing to actually encourage systemic change.
Spend energy pushing for alternative voting methods like ranked choice, approval, or STAR voting. Those have seen success up to state levels.
I’m in FL, so the alternative voting methods is mostly illegal, and to undo it is unlikely for a little while (20 or 30 years).
Oy. Good old party of freedom…
Although it only bans ranked choice voting so at the very least approval voting would be an option. The STAR method might be iffy.
Regardless, changing local voting methods is much more likely than a 3rd party candidate getting elected to the presidency with no candidates at the local level.
Good on you! Please still get involved in changing the system and supporting third parties, but, for now, that work is most effective in local elections and between the general elections. That, and voting in the D or R primaries to vote out incumbents or to select a party candidate who’s more in line with your priorities.
Greens local, Dems for state and nation. You are just throwing away your vote otherwise.
Not even Greens, they don’t put any serious effort into local elections either. Any other (serious) third party would be better locally.
Third parties only seem interested in the presidency. Instead the should work on local elections instead. Build up to federal seats but that is not their goal. They only want to spoil one party nowadays.
Good. She can’t help Trump any more than she already has.
Putin is gonna be so pissed at her
I kind of wish ap would include things like this:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/092024zr_h3cj.pdf
In this case it’s almost nothing, but sometimes it’s nice to have for the longer documents. I’d also like a link to the original decision they were appealing.
lol good.
Womp womp
Jill Stein is unqualified to be president and generally has no idea what she is talking about.
More party oppression by Dems.
Yup. The “Democratic” Party.
Yes democracy is when no outside of your party can run because that’s oppressing you.
And democrats applaud as an election becomes less democratic
It is not undemocratic to be barred from the ballot because your campaign did not bother reading the fine print on the paperwork to make sure it’s all correct. It’s not the level of attention to detail or responsibility I would want from a presidential administration either.
Ive yet to have anyone actually cite the forms and what specifically was overlooked. Like somewhere it just states this form not admissable for candidate qualification.
All of this is incredibly self serving arguments, you would be having quite an outrage if a democrat was barred from an election because of fine print technicality. Thats not what you actually care about, you only care that people you dont like suffered from it.
You didn’t look very hard. This took seconds:
Under Nevada law, the Green Party needed to obtain just over 10,000 valid signatures to get its candidates on the ballot for the 2024 general election. The petitions containing the signatures are also required to include an affidavit from the people who circulated the petitions.
As it came to the Supreme Court, the dispute centered on the content of that affidavit. For minor political parties seeking access to the ballot, Nevada law requires the affidavit to include an attestation that the person who circulated the petition believes that each person signing the petition is registered to vote in the county where she lives.
The affidavit originally submitted with the Green Party’s petition in July 2023 was the correct one. However, because the petition that the Green Party submitted contained a separate mistake, an employee in the secretary of state’s office sent the party a sample petition that included the wrong affidavit – for use with petitions to put initiatives and referenda on the ballot. As a result, the affidavits that the Green Party later submitted with its petitions did not contain the attestation required for access to the ballot.
The secretary of state eventually announced that the Green Party had submitted enough signatures to qualify for the 2024 general election ballot.
The Nevada Democratic Party went to state court in June of this year, arguing that the signatures were invalid because the Green Party had used the wrong affidavit.
Was it a fuckup by the Secretary of State or just a ratfuck? Yes. Does that mean the campaign shouldn’t have lacked the attention to detail to be able to avoid it? No. They didn’t bother checking to find out that everything was as it should be. And that is not who people should want running the country. If they get thrown off this easily, what will it be like when they’re negotiating things like treaties and trade agreements?
You’re the second person ive asked to cite the forms in question, who links to an article about the court case instead.
The forms, like the forms the green party allegedly received copies of that were incorrect, i am asking to see those forms.
Again. Seconds.
https://www.nvsos.gov/sos/home/showpublisheddocument/12729/638400602817830000
And this is the last time I’m doing your homework for you.
He doesn’t want to see the forms. He just wants to be right.
I guess they don’t have to click on the link if they don’t want.
Incidentally, the language in the affidavit makes it pretty clear what it’s for.
Why are you saying again like you found them the first time. So, this is the form the secretary of state handed out to a party asking for the form to enter an election
Do keep up.
And asking two people was easier than using a search engine?
I did search, and like these two people i was getting articles about the court case instead of the forms.
Hostility to citation just makes political discussion less informed.
Democrats applaud bc she is another Republican plant. They like doing that. If you want to vote for her, you still can. Democracy
No, you cant, most states including nevada do not allow write in votes.
Most states do and it sounds like you should worry about local more then federal if that’s the case.
the State of Nevada does not allow individuals to write in a candidate’s name for any office. (NRS 293.270 (2))
https://www.nvsos.gov/sos/sos-information/office-facts/faqs-all-division/elections
Per the Republican caucus they didn’t allow write-ins in Nevada. Looking at your post, those people will not help you. You should be looking for an actual candidate in your state that has a chance.
Jill Stein is not the one. She is a Putin simp. Her goal is to disrupt the Democrats chance to win. I know it sucks (I live in NC) but you need local winners for a third party. Eventually that will lead to a national third party.
Republican caucus? This is nevada state law, not party convention rules. Im talking about democracy and freedom to vote for people. You can make arguments supporting voting for your candidate or why people shouldnt vote for another. But trying to win an election by outright forbidding the ability to vote for an opponent is, sitting eerily well with people.
Sounds like the secretary of the state fucked you. Not sure when they banned write-ins ( Every state should have it.)
I still stand by my main point, third parties need to put an effort in local elections to change the laws. You never hear about them during mid-terms. They only want the presidency and that will never happen.
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Yall should be embarassed for having such anti-evidence attitudes. Its a core aspect of having informed political discussion.
Same time next Presidential election, Jill?
I mean she could use the time between to build local support for the Green Party in lots of places. I guess that isn’t what she’s after.
And God forbid they spend any money on local elections where they can affect things like I don’t know actual green party issues.
Sure usually hangs out in Russia between elections, right?
The Winter Candidate.
That looks like a weapon.
Is it a record player needle?
It’s a campaign button. For perennial candidate Howard Stassen. He would still be running today if he hadn’t died in 2001.
More’s the pity, she can’t run for president of Russia either.
Why can’t these candidates file proper forms? What the hell is so difficult about that?
There are a miniscule number of presidential candidates running in a given year, so I assume that the UX on the process isn’t very optimized.
but she’s done this like 3 times already.
running for president is literally all she does. she should be able to speedrun this by now.
They were given the wrong forms by the secretary of state. Its obvious sabotage.
Ha ha. After being shown the forms your face saving argument changes. Now they were the wrong forms.
I never said they werent and still no one has been able to show them to me
Except for the links you were given a while ago! 😂
You aren’t the arbiter of truth on the matter. You don’t need to see the forms. Stein is out and you can piss and moan about it all you like.
I guess not needing to see evidence is how yall get so ignorant
Because everything is always “their” fault right? Secretary of state is corrupt, judge is corrupt… Can’t just be that someone that crawls out from under her rock once every 4 years has not used the last 4 years to setup a competent organisation.
Theres a lot of ignorance here. She doesnt show up once every four years, you assume that because you only hear about her once every four years. She’s not as active, understandably, on non-election years, but is still doing political work and promoting her party and giving talks.
Yes, the secretary of state gave them the wrong forms and guidance, and the courts are banning a political party from an election on a technicality against the spirit of the law.
@DrunkEngineer explained it.
